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Highalt
03-15-2004, 03:24 AM
hi,

when i become tangled in a dog fight and get the position at the six o'clock of a foe and try to shut down him, it becomes a hard thing to see him cos my cockpit obscures the enemy plane and i have to nose down and then up again continously to see if i am shooting to the right direction.

how was the real WWII pilots coping with that difficulty?

Highalt
03-15-2004, 03:24 AM
hi,

when i become tangled in a dog fight and get the position at the six o'clock of a foe and try to shut down him, it becomes a hard thing to see him cos my cockpit obscures the enemy plane and i have to nose down and then up again continously to see if i am shooting to the right direction.

how was the real WWII pilots coping with that difficulty?

Tully__
03-15-2004, 03:31 AM
Mostly practice. You can also avoid it by setting yourself up so that he's flying from side to side in your sights instead of from bottom to top, but that requires some fairly sophisticated timing for snap shots http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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HangerQueen
03-15-2004, 03:55 AM
Real pilots could move their head around in the cockpit to see past obstructions. Unfortunately, we can't do that in our present sim but maybe in the future....

"You can try, but it is a difficult and thankless task to compare the combat qualities of aircraft using reference book data. There are simply too many nuances to consider." N. G. Golodnikov

Highalt
03-15-2004, 05:14 AM
For me, even in reality moving your head wont solve this problem.

imagine that an enemy fighter is at your 12 o'clock and you are trying to shoot him. Either of you are going crossvise and your right wings' tip pointing the ground and your left wings' to the sky.

As you know you have to fire infront of your target in order to have your bullets meet with the boggy at a point on its way. But this is not an easy job as you know. The plane's cockpit's insturements panel obscures you target.So, in a situation like this how can you see your target by only moving your head. You have to psuh your stick downwards and look at you target position then again pull your stick up wards to fire. You can only see the sky and the ground from your side cockpit windwos you cannot see you 12 o'clock !

Tully__
03-15-2004, 05:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HangerQueen:
Real pilots could move their head around in the cockpit to see past obstructions. Unfortunately, we can't do that in our present sim but maybe in the future....

"You can try, but it is a difficult and thankless task to compare the combat qualities of aircraft using reference book data. There are simply too many nuances to consider." N. G. Golodnikov
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Joachim Marseille commented when asked about this that he pulled the trigger as his target disappeared under the nose...apparently he frequently fired blind. Doesn't seem to have been bad for his aim though.

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SCHADEN
03-15-2004, 05:59 AM
You have to pull lead as in leader not lead the metal, get your target in your cross hairs at about 200meters range then slowly pull your nose up till he vanishes give him a short burst, if he's flying at the same angle you'll hit him - however if you check when you are in the same position but a target you'll see the enemy a/c first point at you then pull ahead as he is about to shoot, change angle slightly and he'll miss.

Better by far to B&Z - climb above th fight or enemy flight and then dive down behind the target...sliding back the throttle to keep your speed manageable - you should do it so you find yourself slight below the target and on his six...with a perfect target picture from say 45 degrees below him and climbing 150 meters out, fire short burst or if you have a mk108 3 rounds for the kill then floor the throttle and zoom back up to safety at altitude.....in other online games it's called cherry picking or vultching but it's the way the pro's did it for real.

Chuck_Older
03-15-2004, 10:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HangerQueen:
Real pilots could move their head around in the cockpit to see past obstructions. Unfortunately, we can't do that in our present sim but maybe in the future....

"You can try, but it is a difficult and thankless task to compare the combat qualities of aircraft using reference book data. There are simply too many nuances to consider." N. G. Golodnikov
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Joachim Marseille commented when asked about this that he pulled the trigger as his target disappeared under the nose...apparently he frequently fired blind. Doesn't seem to have been bad for his aim though.

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Another thing to bear in mind is that yes, a real pilot can move his head, but the sight still stays right there. If you were to raise the pilot's seat, it wouldn't raise the sight. If you raised the line of sight, looking through the sight would be on a downward angle, since the sight stayed put.

If you drew a triangle representing the pilot's line of sight through the sight as he sits in the 'normal' position, and then again at a higher position, the higher position's line of sight forms the hypotenous of the triangle (math refresher- longest side http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) The line of sight would be down slightly, not straight out, and the sight would be virtually useless.

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