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ElfunkoI
03-18-2004, 11:00 PM
I was wondering if anyone knew the differences between the D9, D11, and D12, and D13. Gonna start another petition in ORR for one of these later Fw's, gotta see which. Also, I think oleg said theres not enough info to do cockpit or the entire plane model for d13...

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ElfunkoI
03-18-2004, 11:00 PM
I was wondering if anyone knew the differences between the D9, D11, and D12, and D13. Gonna start another petition in ORR for one of these later Fw's, gotta see which. Also, I think oleg said theres not enough info to do cockpit or the entire plane model for d13...

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ElfunkoI
03-18-2004, 11:07 PM
The Fw 190D-11 was powered by the Jumo 213F with MW 50 boost. The fuselage-mounted guns were eliminated, and there were two MG 151s in the wing roots and two MK 108s in the outer wings. Only seven prototypes were built.

The Fw 190D-12 was a fighter-bomber variant, which differed from the D-9 by having a three-stage supercharged Jumo 213F-1 engine rated at 2060 hp for takeoff mounted in a new, more extensively armored cowling. Armanent was one engine-mounted 30-mm MK 108 cannon and two 20-mm MG 151s in the wing roots. Although primarily a ground-attack plane, the D-12 also made an effective fighter and could attain 453 mph at 37,000 feet when MW 50 boost was used. Production began in March 1945 at the Arado and Fieseler plants, but only a few were delivered.

The D-13 differed from the D-12 by having a Jumo 213EB engine and by having a 20-mm engine-mounted MG 151 cannon in place of the 30-mm MK 108 unit. However, only a couple of prototypes were built.

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robban75
03-18-2004, 11:21 PM
The Jumo 213EB engine was supposed to be fitted in June '45, so needless to say it was never used by the D-13. It featured the same Jumo 213F as the D-12. THe D-12 and D-13 were basically the same appart from the weapons fit. The "Yellow 10" which is on display at the Champlin museum is the 17th built D-13, and there's a possibility that as much 30 were built. Yellow 10 was put into service by 7 April 1945. Performance wise there was little to chose between the D-9 and D-13 below 5000m. But above 6000-7000m the D-13 was a completely different animal! The proposed Jumo 213EB engine would have given the D-12 and D-13 a topspeed that surpassed even that of the Ta 152H-1.

[This message was edited by robban75 on Fri March 19 2004 at 02:57 AM.]

ElfunkoI
03-18-2004, 11:29 PM
So there is a D13, they worked, etc. We can get photos of the pit from the museum most likely. Why would Oleg be unable to model it? Lack of info for FM?

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Glassess
03-19-2004, 12:10 AM
I think a couple of D-13 and D-12s saw service with JV-44 Wuerger Staffel, I could be wrong though

JG26Red
03-19-2004, 12:53 AM
D11 would be the most desirable of them thou...

robban75
03-19-2004, 03:53 AM
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Steven190
03-19-2004, 06:05 AM
There were several D-13's in service.
There is a well documented one here in the states. The Champlin Museum in AZ., (which is no longer in business)
The plane is Yellow 10 Werke Number 836017

There are many pictures of ever aspect of the plane.

ElfunkoI
03-19-2004, 07:07 AM
Sounds great, now all we need is to post in ORR. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Zen--
03-19-2004, 08:14 AM
Does anyone actually have an idea of what Criteria Oleg uses to model the cockpits? Arizona is not so far from where I live (about 1200 miles) and I have been planning on taking a vacation out west. I'd be interested in seeing this Yellow 10 first hand if it's still there and for trying to get some photo's together.

Curious though, what kind of quality they would need to be in order for Oleg to consider them as reference material.

Any thoughts?

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diomedes33
03-19-2004, 09:12 AM
Here's the company that the D13 is at. They're doing a couple others too, p63c and fw190-f8. Amazing what you can find with 5 minutes on the internet.
http://www.nwrain.com/~newtsuit/gosshawkunlimited/

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ElfunkoI
03-20-2004, 10:32 AM
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