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DedEyes
02-21-2004, 10:13 AM
Did the ME-262 realy catch fire when increasing and decreasing throttle ?

Sure you can kill the fire by going into a quick dive but then as soon as you make a few throttle adjustments one or both of the engines burst into flame again .

Not whining about it ,but just wondering if this was realy the case .

I have noticed that AI flying these aircraft don't have this effect even when making rapid adjustments to speed .

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DedEyes
02-21-2004, 10:13 AM
Did the ME-262 realy catch fire when increasing and decreasing throttle ?

Sure you can kill the fire by going into a quick dive but then as soon as you make a few throttle adjustments one or both of the engines burst into flame again .

Not whining about it ,but just wondering if this was realy the case .

I have noticed that AI flying these aircraft don't have this effect even when making rapid adjustments to speed .

http://warbirdsart.freewebspace.com/images/pearl_harbour.jpg

Dmitri9mm
02-21-2004, 10:43 AM
the idea is simply to go easy on the throttle and dont raise it by 20% at once. This IS historically correct. BTW in real life you could damage a piston engine too if you didnt take it easy.

Chuck_Older
02-21-2004, 10:47 AM
Yes, the Me 262 did have engine problems, and yes they could either flame out, or catch fire if you were not gentle with the throttle.

In general, the throttle is a misunderstood aspect of the aircraft in FB. It is not really like an automobile throttle where you can 'floor it'. There's almost no consequence from doing this in FB in any aircraft I know of, except for the 262. But in real life, you don't just shove the throttle from 0 percent to 100 % as fast as you can in any of these planes as normal operating procedure.

The trouble with the engines in the 262 stems from metallurgy and scarcity of materials in wartime Germany. Many clever and downright ingenious things were tried to fix the problem, but they just didn't have the high temp materials available to really solve the problem to their satisfaction. Some sources cite a 20 hour service life between overhauls for these engines.

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WhiskeyRiver
02-21-2004, 07:32 PM
I read in an interview with Galland that the 262's fuel pressure had to be manually adjusted in response to throttle changes or else a fire or flameout could result.

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Fehler
02-22-2004, 01:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Yes, the Me 262 did have engine problems, and yes they could either flame out, or catch fire if you were not gentle with the throttle.

Some sources cite a 20 hour service life between overhauls for these engines.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have to only be gentle until the engines spool up to 6000 RPM, then you can slam the throttle back and forth (As long as you are over 6k RPM)

20 Hours Service life is really not that bad. P39's for example had about a 50 hour combat life before they needed overhauling. Also, to remove and replace the Jumo 004 engine took roughly 30 minutes service time. Most piston engine fighters took 8-10 hours service time to remove and replace an engine. That's the main reason the 262 was designed to house the 004 under the wings instead of near/in the fuselage.

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DedEyes
02-22-2004, 08:10 PM
Thanks for the info .I suspected this was the case as I did notice it only happened after going to 0% for a few seconds and back up to 100% again .

It never ceases to amaze me how much detail Oleg and the guys put into this sim .

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p1ngu666
02-22-2004, 10:12 PM
ive heard it stalls instead of flames..
i think if u got 20hours u where a hero
but a typhoons engine lasted 5hours relibly, then it would die randomly..

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VW-IceFire
02-22-2004, 10:13 PM
I did a bit of a test with jetfighters....seems that if things stay the way they are...in AEP with jet dogfights were going to have some very explosive dogfights. Even a few well played .50 cal rounds will light an engine on fire...and seemingly a concentrated burst on a Me 262 will blow it up. Very sensitive to damage these machines are...

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Aztek_Eagle
02-23-2004, 04:48 AM
me262 is so great afther the last patch oleg gave us, i first hated it as a rookie plane, but now it requieres more skill or u get ur self killed real fast, now i even fly it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

WOLFMondo
02-23-2004, 07:51 AM
I found the worst problem with the 262 is taking a hit and the engine bursting into flames (they seem to do this after a few small rounds hit them), then diving and reducing throttle to put them out then trying to land, all the time trying to keep the plane in the air, the temps as low as possible. It can be a fun challenge.

Although you can pull of some funny stuff with it:
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If I ever find the guy who blew off both engines and left the rest intact i'll give him a prize.

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WUAF_Badsight
02-23-2004, 09:34 PM
WOT &gt;? like this ?

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GT182
02-24-2004, 12:31 PM
One question, why doesn't the fire extinguisher work? I've tried it in several a/c in the game and nothing happens.

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XyZspineZyX
02-24-2004, 12:42 PM
Yet another reason to finally kick the habit and give up smoking. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif