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Eat_My_Shortz
07-26-2004, 06:46 AM
eughh must we have this argument every time! (If you recall the huge hoopla that went up about the Path of the Shell box... not that it helped).

Heres the latest box shot:
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00023XXMW.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Here's another discussion about it:
http://www.uruobsession.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=67&t=12888

As they've said there - its white and really doesn't showcase any of the game's beauty, and Yeesha's silhouette, however symbolic, makes it look tacky. The whole thing just looks like a kids game.

The game itself just looks fantastic as I've said. It'd be a shame if it came out like this because despite the old axiom, EVERYBODY CAN and WILL judge a book by its cover.
Honestly, if you (assuming you aren't a Myst fan) just saw that sitting on a shelf, would you pick it up?

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Eat_My_Shortz
07-26-2004, 06:46 AM
eughh must we have this argument every time! (If you recall the huge hoopla that went up about the Path of the Shell box... not that it helped).

Heres the latest box shot:
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00023XXMW.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Here's another discussion about it:
http://www.uruobsession.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=67&t=12888

As they've said there - its white and really doesn't showcase any of the game's beauty, and Yeesha's silhouette, however symbolic, makes it look tacky. The whole thing just looks like a kids game.

The game itself just looks fantastic as I've said. It'd be a shame if it came out like this because despite the old axiom, EVERYBODY CAN and WILL judge a book by its cover.
Honestly, if you (assuming you aren't a Myst fan) just saw that sitting on a shelf, would you pick it up?

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Eat_My_Shortz
07-26-2004, 07:12 AM
Areth on the Myst Obsession forums came up with these much nicer boxes:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/areth/MystIV%20copy.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/areth/MystIV_2%20copy.jpg
I'm going to vote for the second one of Serenia. That boat thing is scary!

Heres the forum page its on:
http://www.uruobsession.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=12886&st=0&#entry207055

Anyway I don't really want to say much more about it - all the arguments have already been made on the MystObsession page.
I just like a full box taken up by a screenshot of something really dramatic (a la Riven, Exile, POTS European box, Aura was cool too, and to a lesser extent Myst and Uru) - not some white thing with half a dull screenshot (I'm sure its cool but its not a "front-of-box" shot) with a screen-bean on it.

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Arnium
07-26-2004, 07:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The whole thing just looks like a kids game.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, it looks like Red Riding Hood about to encounter The Big Bad Wolf http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif.

Phen1
07-26-2004, 07:48 AM
****!!! This sucks!!! I guess the point is it's supposed to be a "family game". The point is to market more becuase families will buy it. What a gay idea. ******ed. That's all it is. I haven't been this angry about anything in a long time. It's NOT a family game! At least, it better not be. It better scare the heck out of me, and not be suitable for children under the age of 6 because they might get nightmares. This makes me angry. Fuming mad... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

All this beauty IN the game... and a sh- box cover. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

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Ze Pedro
07-26-2004, 08:01 AM
I like the cover with the floating rocks.

Naquiel
07-26-2004, 08:20 AM
Well it looks like Ubi is cutting cost on the box art again. You all know that when there is less color on the box the more money ubi saves. I wish ubi would quit trying to make the box look like its compeditors boxes. All the time i go to the games store i notice many games like uru,crystal key 2, and a few otheres look alomost alike when it comes to the box art.

Ubi should be a little different with the box to set it apart from the other games.

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Coronagold
07-26-2004, 09:26 AM
Think "inside" the box. I'm not playing a cardboard box on my PC.

I like the forest pic, but I would have added Yeesha in it & rectangle-framed the pic with wood & brass.

I mentioned elsewhere that game boxes are 1/4 the size they used to be so they gotta really concentrate on standing out. Most game boxes are multicolored with heavy emphasis on black & blue & red. One color you don't see much of on game shelves is white. And you do want to stand out. The large Myst logo catches your eye at a quick glance.

RP? Role Playing? Shouldn't it say A for Adventure? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

http://www.dnijazzclub.com/mwsc/bnr006.gif (http://store.ubi.com/item.jsp?item=008888682028&category=PC)

AFGNCAAP
07-26-2004, 09:28 AM
Think they can make the MYST any larger? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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Coronagold
07-26-2004, 09:56 AM
http://img36.photobucket.com/albums/v108/sargem/Misc/revbox_copy2.jpg

http://www.dnijazzclub.com/mwsc/bnr006.gif (http://store.ubi.com/item.jsp?item=008888682028&category=PC)

nmzero
07-26-2004, 12:32 PM
Actually, I quite like it. It's different, (as mentioned, most other boxes are multiple colors, or dark).

It might cost a bit more for UBI, but couple this with white DVD cases, and it's going to be quite eye-catching.

Can't say I'm keen on those other two covers though. The ship doesn't give off anything about the game other than the fact that there's some sort of shipwreck in it, while the floating islands makes me think that it's a platformer. While the white box doesn't show anything either, the fact that it looks different, and that it's not like every other case could draw interest.


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Elbasunu
07-26-2004, 02:32 PM
Keep in mind that computer games these days have lots of information on the front covers that they have to display, such as quotes and key gameplay ideas.

I'm not pleased with the current box art either, but I like it better than the ones the folk at UO came up with. Wehter you realize it or not, the other two images are far to plain, unless you're going to slap one of those opening covers(like a brochure).

I lost my train of thought...darn. I'll be back when i get another hour of sleep.

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Danny on Katran Shard.

Eat_My_Shortz
07-26-2004, 05:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It's different<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Its not different from Myst 10th Anniversary Edition, Path of the Shell, or Complete Chronicles!

Yes well personally I'd like a wide panorama of Tomahna, but the guys as MystObs had the idea that, like the Riven, Exile and Aura boxes, you need a central focus - a large structure.
It doesn't need to be different, it needs to be dramatic.

If you pump out a game in a brown cardboard box with the word "Myst" written on it in texta, people will say "Wow thats different!" but it won't actually be good. Theres a difference between different and good.

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Devokan80
07-26-2004, 06:29 PM
Nice Corona...I like his version the best...it just screams "I'M A MYST GAME!!!!" he he he...

JustBrett
07-26-2004, 09:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Coronagold:
One color you don't see much of on game shelves is white.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't think that's really true any more. Aside from the Myst 10th Anniversary and Complete Chronicles, looking at my own shelves I see three other white boxes: Syberia, Syberia II and Schizm II. It looks like white is becoming an "in" color for game boxes.

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Eat_My_Shortz
07-26-2004, 09:52 PM
*scratches head*
's kinda annoying!

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Eat_My_Shortz
07-27-2004, 01:31 AM
Maybe they should go with the Warner Bros' new box style:
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v331/Eat_My_Shortz/MatrixRevelation.jpg

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif haha!
Seriously though, I just spent an hour making this image so I hope it was worth it!

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Ze Pedro
07-27-2004, 03:17 AM
I know. They should add some blinking red lights to the cover, like that Pink Floyd CD that came out some years ago. I never bought it, but I still remember it on the shelves. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

matt myat
07-27-2004, 03:19 AM
blinking red lights?? hey yeah - for cutout-yeesha's eyes! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

lol EMS awesome box art,
love the cascading d'ni letters!!

feeling a bit queasy now tho! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

on the current box art i'm pretty sure 97% of the posts i've read on it are clearly not in favour http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

it's not a bad design - but it doesn't strike one with awe and excitement or beg to be bought, and it is definitley not the style of a Myst title! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Eat_My_Shortz
07-27-2004, 03:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>blinking red lights?? hey yeah - for cutout-yeesha's eyes!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Lol! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>lol EMS awesome box art,
love the cascading d'ni letters!!
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Heh yeah I had fun with it. Oh by the way I forgot to credit www.mystfonts.com (http://www.mystfonts.com) for the D'ni font. I probably got the Matrix font from somewhere too but it was too long ago to remember.

I just couldn't resist - after all this talk of the bad box - I remember when Matrix Revolutions came out and we're all like "what! That's the box?"
And what with the name being so similar - it just fitted perfectly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Eat_My_Shortz
07-27-2004, 05:17 AM
Hey I'm really getting into this. Here's my variation on the "Everything that has a beginning has an end" posters:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/Eat_My_Shortz/AtrusPoster.jpg
(Hehe maybe it should say "Follow the white squee...")
On a side note: It seems PhotoBucket got a complete upgrade during the time I uploaded the first image earlier today to this one now. W00t!

And in other news, Phen has started a poll on the box here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=311106333&m=112108075).

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monsieurdavid
07-27-2004, 05:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I guess the point is it's supposed to be a "family game". The point is to market more becuase families will buy it. What a gay idea. ******ed. That's all it is. I haven't been this angry about anything in a long time. It's NOT a family game! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Phen1, I'm a little confused. Which of the following makes the idea to use this box design "gay"?

gay adj.
1) Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
2) Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
3) Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.

Eat_My_Shortz
07-27-2004, 06:01 AM
4) (taboo) (adj) Awful; not conforming to the views of the writer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Also it matches description (3) and we don't think that suits a Myst box.
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monsieurdavid
07-27-2004, 07:24 AM
The box design in question is what we call in the trade "dreadful". My point perhaps not so obviously is that the use of the word "gay" in this context is a painfully childish slur, and one whose racial or ethnic counterpart (though I can't think of one) would not be tolerated by the mods on this thread for one single instant.

Phen1
07-27-2004, 10:48 PM
Sorry 'bout that dave... Where I'm from that word means nothing more than "stupid". Didn't mean to offend anybody. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Eat_My_Shortz
07-27-2004, 10:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My point perhaps not so obviously is...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, Dave I DID understand your point. I was making a little joke, hence the http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But seriously, I think if you check your definition #1 you'll find that it was NOT the original definition of "gay" - that matches #2 and 3.
So I believe my definition #4 which Phen used is no different from your definition #1 - "gay" in the modern sense does mean "stupid" - its an evolution of language and thats just what happens in generational change.

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monsieurdavid
07-28-2004, 02:16 PM
"Gay" in the "Generation Y" sense meant "lame" (rather than "stupid") when that usage first came on the scene. Don't tell me that there was not a basis in denigrating a whole group of people by equating "lame" with "gay". If you want to disagree with that, please give me a better explanation. Now, just out of curiosity, if someone asked you, "Are you gay?" would you immediately assume they were wondering if you were lame or stupid? I don't think so. The main modern use of the word "gay" is to describe a group of human beings. The use of the word "gay" as a synonym for "stupid" as I said before is painfully childish. It is unacceptable on these forums.

StarScrap
07-28-2004, 02:34 PM
If someone came up and asked me "are you gay?" I would assume different things based on how it was said. If it were a serious question, said with a lot of weight attached, I would assume they were asking me if I was homosexual. If it was said with the emphasis of an implied insult (e.g. I was talking about my obsession with these really neat puzzle computer games and a jock came up to me and said "dude, are you gay!?") I would then assume it was meant as a synonym for stupid.

As Phen obviously was not thinking of it as a slur derived from the negative attitude towards homosexuals, I am inclined to make little of it, and forgive him.

However, I do think it should be avoided generally as a word that people take offense to (along with any other word in the group labled "swear words"). Besides there are better, more precise ways of expressing your displeasure (which is also true of the other words in the aforementioned group).

Alright, can we quit playing lawyer now?

About the box, I tend to be in favor of simple box designs, and like the mostly-white box. I do wish they had chosen a more striking picture though. Like Riven's box.

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AFGNCAAP
07-29-2004, 09:58 AM
Found this on a French site. Don't know if this is going to be the European box or if it is just a concept.
http://www.clubic.com/photo/0096009600094589.jpg

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Nebodin
07-29-2004, 03:49 PM
Oh wow! That box is gorgeous! SO much better than the white one. I hope that's the box they'll use down here in New Zealand. Its shots like that that sell Myst games.

Ze Pedro
07-29-2004, 04:35 PM
Yes! That's a great box.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif

earthangell
07-29-2004, 06:44 PM
definately prefer that one!! i like the floating rocks one too!!

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matt myat
07-30-2004, 04:13 AM
i have to post the bigger version so every one can appreciate it's magnificence... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v135/ZGareth/Myst%20Forums/Revelations_Box.jpg

Coronagold
07-30-2004, 05:20 AM
Why does it say PC DVD rom? I thought it was a PC / Mac hybrid.

http://www.dnijazzclub.com/mwsc/bnr006.gif (http://store.ubi.com/item.jsp?item=008888682028&category=PC)

matt myat
07-30-2004, 06:11 AM
don't worry (not that you are) - it is PC/Mac DVD(s http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) - they just keep getting the labels wrong http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

yeah i hope we get that box design in New Zealand too (oh, and the rest of the world http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

Eat_My_Shortz
07-30-2004, 07:23 AM
Yeah I like that original box the best. But as we said, without Yeesh please!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If you want to disagree with that, please give me a better explanation. Now, just out of curiosity, if someone asked you, "Are you gay?" would you immediately assume they were wondering if you were lame or stupid?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
OK heres an analogy. If someone came up and said "hey you look hot!", or if someone said "its really hot today." - you can appreciate the 2 different meanings.
If someone said "are you gay" then I'd assume they're asking if I'm homosexual, whereas if someone said "that box is gay" I'd assume they were saying its lame or stupid.
Of course its DERIVED from something offensive, but now it IS part of modern language.

Although I agree we really shouldn't use it on these forums.

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Ze Pedro
07-30-2004, 04:13 PM
Now that I saw the larger version of the box I see that Yeesha's ghost is there. I don't like it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif
I think just the landscape is much better.

matt myat
07-30-2004, 09:03 PM
I think the pic of Yeesha on the box does look a little odd and out of place for a Myst title, but it's a good one and a lot better than the cutout.

Although Myst games have usually been about solitary adventures in stunning worlds (for us adventurers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) - i think Myst IV is taking this in a new direction where characters play a much more crucial role in the emersion of the story.

monsieurdavid
07-31-2004, 06:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Of course its DERIVED from something offensive, but now it IS part of modern language. Although I agree we really shouldn't use it on these forums. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
EMS: Thank you. As a matter of fact, thank you very much.

ā"Gay (homosexual) = lame/stupidā" is a low-voltage concept. Why perpetuate it in any form whatsoever? The really telling thing about this is that if an equally derogative term – ā"part of modern languageā" or not – existed as a racial or ethnic counterpart, the moderators on this forum would have axed it in less than a solitary heartbeat.

Ze Pedro
07-31-2004, 08:08 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/353.gif

What I like about these forums is that we are free to express ourselves and very very rarely do we need a moderator to moderate our language. We all know what is vulgar and what is not. An occasional slip doesn't hurt anyone if used in an appropriate context - even a child's ears. In my opinion, the advantages of freedom of speech outweigh the occasional improper choice of words.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Cierdwyn
07-31-2004, 03:19 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif monsieurdavid, I think that you need to relax, take a deep breath and let that go. NO harm was intended by Phen's original post, and they did apologise - it's been unnecessary to carry this to this length. (For the record my brother and most of his friends are gay and they always refer to something stupid that way - go figure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif ) I've been on these forums for a good while now, and for the most part these are a great bunch of people who are overall, pleasant, helpful, fun and refrain from any sort of personal attack. Phen's been here a while now, too and is a very nice person - please, just accept the apology so that we can get back to the discussion at hand. Given where those of us who frequent this forum live, this is truly an international group of like minded individuals. The thing about that, though, is that we have so many language differences - even with just english - where words, that many of us commonly use, in our home country may not be used in that same way where someone else is from and, at first usage may be deemed as derogatory or insulting. The thing is to view them as regional differences in the vernacular, have a bit of a laugh and get on with enjoying the forum.

With that having been said ... I like the white box. I've said it before that a white box does seem to attract my attention amongst the sea of blue and black on the shelves - I don't know, maybe I was a magpie in another life and am attracted to bright shiny things http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif . However, after seeing the European box cover ... that sure is prettier then the white - but note the use of a lot of blue in the picture. It would be a shame for it to get lost amongst all of the other boxes with the same coloring.

Cierdwyn http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[This message was edited by Cierdwyn on Sat July 31 2004 at 02:28 PM.]

Eat_My_Shortz
08-01-2004, 10:39 PM
Theres that word again... VERNACULAR!

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Cierdwyn
08-02-2004, 08:08 AM
Yes, and EMS, if you use it in a total of 3 sentences it'll be a permanant part of yours ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Cierdwyn

monsieurdavid
08-02-2004, 08:12 AM
Last post on the subject.

It's very easy to be philosophical (and condescending: relax, take a deep breath, etc.) when you aren't able to acknowledge that bias against gays is the last remaining acceptable prejudice. I make this statement completely independent of the sub-subject at hand (gay = lame), and would encourage a quick review of my posts to confirm that I have not targeted Phen during this discussion. EMS brought the subject back up (thanks) and I wrung it one more time because I know that the subject (off-topic or not) does not deserve to be buried.

The secret of marketing a product is to be intriguing, and not literal. Take the original ad campaign for the movie "Alien". It didn't show a set of drooling chompers, but rather featured a mysterious pod sitting there in the void. Very intriguing. Likewise, from a design standpoint, the original "Riven" packaging had the rebel hornet's nest sitting there essentially saying "you know you want to find out what this is".

But those days are gone; today everything looks like Alien and Riven. The only way to make the box stand out on the shelves, if that's the point, is to color the package Barbie pink.

mszv
08-02-2004, 09:09 AM
Hi all,
Sorry - didn't see this.
Yes, using "gay" to mean "stupid" is not acceptable on this forum. Don't use it that way, in the future. Thanks.

This is an interesting discussion on the box art. I like the one found on the French site. Good scenery, a book (linking book?), and a not overwhelming image of a little girl.

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Cierdwyn
08-02-2004, 10:51 AM
Hi mszv, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yes, the French box is very nicely designed. I like the ghostly reflection of Yeesha in the window - sort of points to the mystery involving her disappearance. I wonder why they choose to go with so many different box designs. You would think that they would want something that would be instantly recognisable reagardless of where you live. And I would think it would be more cost effective to come up with one design. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif I'm not up on such things - maybe someone else knows and could fill me in.

Cierdwyn http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

maztec
08-02-2004, 12:24 PM
Because different markets respond to different images.

Marketing nearly everywhere changes image by region.

For some of the massively popular game titles they even rebox within the same country.

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Cierdwyn
08-02-2004, 01:03 PM
Thanks Maztec, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Because different markets respond to different images <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif What I don't get then, is with all of the possibilities for the beautiful box art available from the rich, abundant art that can be found in the games, what makes the option of a plain white box, with a little game pic on it and MYST screaming at us, the choice for over here? The implication could be taken that we wouldn't appreciate a beautiful box if we fell over it so ... why bother? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I personally love beautiful game art - and it truly IS art - especially on the game boxes. Have you seen the box for Aura? It's gorgeous! And they certainly are not anywhere near as large a gaming company as Ubisoft. Makes no sense. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

Cierdwyn

JustBrett
08-02-2004, 07:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by maztec:
For some of the massively popular game titles they even rebox within the same country.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And not just game titles. I learned a few months ago that there are two different cover illustrations for Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix in the UK. One illo for the children's market, and one for the adult market.

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Nebodin
08-02-2004, 09:05 PM
Not only that, the first Harry Potter book and movie was acutally named differently for the U.S.A. as for the rest of the world. The actual name of the book and movie everywhere but the states is "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone". In the U.S. however they called the book and movie "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone".

I guess they figured americans wouldn't know what a philosopher was. Jks jks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Elbasunu
08-03-2004, 12:19 AM
How odd...did they call it the philosopher's stone in the book...I don't recall that....

THe Philosopher stone is steeped into magical and alchemical lore. Cool thing....OF POWAH!!!

Despite the 'non'troversey over the white packaging, i'd just like to say i think the new POTS and CC boxes look cool, despite their whiteness.

Daniel from Atrus Shard.

Eat_My_Shortz
08-03-2004, 01:56 AM
Does that mean the american version of Book of Ti'ana will have A'gaeris the Sorceror!?!?!

Then also does this mean the US version of Harry Potter had all references to "Philosopher" dubbed with an american voice saying "Sorceror"? LOL!

Anyway seriously as I said, just because somethings "different" and "eye-catching" does not make it GOOD or SELLABLE. I refer you to the hot barbie pink example above!

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Arnium
08-03-2004, 04:45 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Because different markets respond to different images.
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In that case the U.S. box should have a picture of the explosion.

Cierdwyn
08-03-2004, 07:01 AM
Arnium ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif There is probably more truth to that than anyone else would dare admit.

Cierdwyn

monsieurdavid
08-03-2004, 07:37 AM
Though I think the silhouette image is a big mistake, I think showing the actress playing Yeesha outright on the cover is too literal, too specific. I know it sounds absurd on this forum where we (like it or not) already know a ton of information, but on a box cover, showing Yeesha already tells the buyer too much. No mystery.

I don't know what the picture has been referred to before, but the stone structure and path with the floating stones compositionally is tailor made for a box cover. It also has the intrigue I mentioned before: what's going on here? How can I find out? (Buy the game!)

Ze Pedro
08-03-2004, 08:47 AM
Yeah, look at the ugly box they created for CC here in Brazil.

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http://www.usaway.net/homes/eashop/images/UBB08004514.jpg

Cierdwyn
08-03-2004, 05:15 PM
Hi monsieurdavid, nice to "see" you again. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Ze Pedro ... &lt;gasp&gt; ... it's ... it's Black!?! Mmmm ... Hmmm ... and with a little tiny game pic ... Apparently lack of imagination for box art isn't soley reserved just for North America. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I feel your pain ... my friend ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Cier http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

AFGNCAAP
08-04-2004, 06:53 AM
It least it doesn't have MYST slathered all over it.

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Cierdwyn
08-04-2004, 07:20 AM
Maybe in SA there's less silly tripe about whether Uru's a "Myst game" or not. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Eat_My_Shortz
08-04-2004, 07:52 AM
Well on the POTS euro box (that I got) the word Myst only appeared once - in tiny writing where it says "Requires Uru Ages Beyond Myst".

I think they took it to the other extreme!

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Elbasunu
08-05-2004, 11:52 PM
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that I recieved the marketing boxes in my store today, and they are pretty cool looking when you actually see them in box form. I have to agree with what others have said, lots of white on a box really make it stand out.
I went and ran my eyes over all the boxes in my store today, and I noticed that I picked out Missing, Manhunt, Aura, and Unreal tournament a lot more than all those crazy shiny chrome'd up boxes the shelf is FILLED with these days.

Although, I hope no one mistakes it for an EA sports title http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif(the only other boxes with as much white) Anyway, just throwing some rocks in the water.(goes back to browsing the website)

Daniel from Atrus Shard.

Eat_My_Shortz
08-06-2004, 06:26 AM
WUT? So its official now? The white box is it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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monsieurdavid
08-06-2004, 07:42 AM
I'm not crazy about the white box, but as far as I'm concerned, it's just a setting for the main design. You wouldn't necessarily expect to see every package on the shelf covered from edge to edge with a given design, so this isn't really something to get upset about. What's really something to get upset about is that silhouette. Is the silhouette still there?

Cierdwyn
08-06-2004, 08:45 AM
Elbasunu wroten : <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I have to agree with what others have said, lots of white on a box really make it stand out.
I went and ran my eyes over all the boxes in my store today, and I noticed that I picked out Missing, Manhunt, Aura, and Unreal tournament a lot more than all those crazy shiny chrome'd up boxes the shelf is FILLED with these days. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Thank you - that's the point I've been trying to make. Whether people like their Myst boxes white or not, in a sea of dark blue's and black's that white really stands out and catches your attention, at least long enough to take a second look and see what the game is about. Doesn't mean that a person's necessarily going to purchase it, but I would think it increases the odds somewhat, if it catches your attention long enough to pick it up and have a look at what the game's about. So many times I've just glazed over shopping for games - they all look the same - and I know that I've missed out on some good ones, simply because I didn't immediately notice them on the shelf. I've picked up some great games later after reading about someone else playing them and finding out what the game is about. I was in Wal-mart yesterday and on those shelves Complete Chronicles was perfectly framed by dark boxes all around it and stood out very plainly. I noticed it immediately.

Adding a few cents more ...

Cierdwyn http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Eat_My_Shortz
08-06-2004, 10:38 AM
Yes but as I keep saying, nobody's going to buy it, whether it STANDS OUT or not, if its terrible.
And it is.

I quite liked the Complete Chronicles and 10th Anniversary boxes - nice and white, with shots from the various games in a neat line. Very nice.

But not for the games themselves. And this is not in a neat line. This is a whacked-on image of nowhere with a screen bean, and POTS was a cutout of an object from the game. Me no likey.

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Cierdwyn
08-06-2004, 02:05 PM
I don't know - PotS pretty much sucked and a whole lot of us bought that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

earthinvasion
08-06-2004, 08:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cierdwyn:
I don't know - PotS pretty much sucked and a whole lot of us bought that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gif nooooooooo, take that back right now!!!!!!!! pots was wonderful, just slightly flawed!!!

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Eat_My_Shortz
08-07-2004, 02:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gifnooooooooo, take that back right now!!!!!!!! pots was wonderful, just slightly flawed!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
YAY! POTS forever!

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Elbasunu
08-07-2004, 02:13 AM
THe image isn't a hard sillouette. It's not matte black. She's kind of faded into the image. I thought it looked pretty darn cool, really.

Just keep in mind, these are the marketing boxes I recieved. SOMETIMES they have differences with the final packaging, but there seems to have been a lot of work and detail put into THIS particular box, so I think its what'll be on the shelves. I was looking at it again today, and I STILL think its pretty rad. From a guy who sees PC game boxes EVERYDAY, and went through a fair share of Graphic Design courses, its definately refreshing and new and good. Lord knows if I see another PLATINUM SHINEY box, or a BREED box again, I'll kill myself. Oh. And big boobs. Big boobs ALWAYS sell games!! I know, lets pretend that there's a busty lass in MYST, with a dagger in her teeth. Yeah....(i hate video game developers who think with their libido)

If you'd like, go to your local EBGames and ask if they have a MYST Revelation Marketing box you could look at. If my store recieved it, I'm assuming others have as well(still haven't gotten our pre-order discs yet, though)

Daniel from Atrus Shard.