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BlitzPig_Ritter
04-01-2004, 08:51 AM
I don't normally post skins in this forum, but this one got burried pretty quickly at Il2skins.

This P-51C-10NT (it lacked the Malcolm hood and only had four .50's so put it on the B) flew with the 5th Fighter Squadron, 52nd Fighter Group, USAAF in Italy, in 1944.
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BlitzPig_Ritter
04-01-2004, 08:51 AM
I don't normally post skins in this forum, but this one got burried pretty quickly at Il2skins.

This P-51C-10NT (it lacked the Malcolm hood and only had four .50's so put it on the B) flew with the 5th Fighter Squadron, 52nd Fighter Group, USAAF in Italy, in 1944.
http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v126/Ritterkreuz/10376.jpg

Download here: http://www.il2skins.com/?action=display&skinid=10376

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BlitzPig_Ritter
04-01-2004, 11:42 AM
Interesting, more people look at a skin posted in this forum than in the paint sheme forum.

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Dmitri9mm
04-01-2004, 12:47 PM
Actually there is really nothing wrong with using the P-51B as a C when you want it without the Malcom-hood. The B and C models were from the start exactly identical, and refered only to the planes being built at different factories. The various changes made to the design throughout the production run (Malcom-hood, extra guns etc.) were introduced on both the B and C model. So there is really no trouble. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Obi_Kwiet
04-01-2004, 01:27 PM
Hey, whats wrong with the P-51C any way. The malcom hood is supposed to be a spit canopy. THe middle part of it is supposed to bulge aout a bit, and the whole thing just looks messed up.

BlitzPig_Ritter
04-01-2004, 03:11 PM
Malcolm hoods where applied to P-51B's C's and Spitfires. In the game they appear on P-51C's and the Spit.

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Il2pongo
04-01-2004, 03:27 PM
And the P47D as well.

BlitzPig_Ritter
04-01-2004, 03:36 PM
P-47's with malcolm hoods? Never seen nor heard of it. They had tear drop canopies, like the P-51D, and razorbacks.

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JG53Frankyboy
04-01-2004, 03:37 PM
P47 with malcom hood ?
any picture ?

bird_brain
04-01-2004, 04:55 PM
I think there is a picture in "The Fighter Bomber Boys" of a P-47 Razorback with a bulged out side window put in instead of the normal side glass with a strut in between. They liked it because you could look over the side a little better & see behind you.

I seem to remember a caption saying that it was a field modification and was quite difficult to find and install but some crew chiefs were very creative.

I'll look for it when I get home from work. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Art-J
04-02-2004, 12:18 PM
You're right Bird, some Razorbacks were field-modified with Malcolm hood. I remember reading that this modification proved not to be as succesful as on Mustangs (a lot more work needed to fit it on wide fuselage) so Malcolm P-47s were rare birds indeed. I have a book with color profile of one of these machines but since the book is 115km from where I'm sitting at the moment, so scanning the picture and posting it might be difficult http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
However, gentlemen, you can "google" for this mod and find some brief info, for example here:

http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avp47.html

Or between sets for modelers:

http://www.rollmodels.net/standard/show_detail.php?hileveldesc=1%2F48+Clear-Vax+Canopy+Sets&manufacturer=Falcon

I'll try to post color profile as soon as I get my book back http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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tttiger
04-02-2004, 01:13 PM
"P-47 Pilots: The Fighter Bomber Boys" picture of a modified Malcolm hood on a Razorback Jug. Page 71. It was flown by Tom Glenn, the guy who wrote the book.

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DaBallz
04-02-2004, 01:23 PM
The P-51C-10NT had the same engine as the
P-51D and was faster at altitudes than a D model.
It did indeed look the same as a B model.
But it was a faster machine, especially
at high altitudes.

Oleg missed the mark on performance as usual.

But then again he modeled the .303 cal British
guns to have more punch than a US .50 cal.

And the Soviet 12.7mm mg has nearly the same
punch as cannon while the exterior ballistics
and energy/velocity is the same as the US .50
within a gnat's lash.

If the P-51C-10NT performed as it should it might
out perform the Russian planes. Perish the thought.
This is a good sim, but it is obviously
"balanced" twords the glorification of Russian
fighter types. (and the odd Ki-84).

Da...

BlitzPig_Ritter
04-02-2004, 02:13 PM
The higher speed of the P-51B/C was due to its thinner wing than the D.

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DaBallz
04-02-2004, 03:21 PM
Thinner wing perhaps, but the canopy design
of the B/C caused less drag.
If there was an advantage to a B/C model wing
the racers at Reno would use them.
They don't. They modify the canopy so a B model
fuselage is no longer an advantage and use
modified D model wings.

Same engine as a D model and superior areodynamics,
the C10 model should be faster than a D model at all altitudes.

da...

Aaron_GT
04-02-2004, 03:56 PM
"But then again he modeled the .303 cal British
guns to have more punch than a US .50 cal."

Don't know what game you are playing, but in AEP
this is not the case. The .303s have pretty
high dispersion and weak hitting power.

Aaron_GT
04-02-2004, 03:58 PM
"If there was an advantage to a B/C model wing
the racers at Reno would use them.
They don't. "

Is that due to the qualities of the plane,
or relative availability of B, C and D models
after WW2?

DaBallz
04-02-2004, 04:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
"If there was an advantage to a B/C model wing
the racers at Reno would use them.
They don't. "

Is that due to the qualities of the plane,
or relative availability of B, C and D models
after WW2?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Paul Mantz (Tallmantz avaitaion) and others used
B and C models.
There were plenty of P-51s of all models except H models.
Numbers kept the H model out of racing.
Very few H models were surplused and few survive.

Da...

ElAurens
04-02-2004, 08:38 PM
Nice skin...I'll nab it when I get home...

And I too have been wondering why the B/C are not faster than the D models in game. They should be, by a margin...

Be Sure...

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