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lrrp22
02-02-2004, 10:30 AM
I remember seeing development updates that showed both the greenhouse canopy and the Malcom hood version, but do we know whether we are getting the V-1650-7 engine or the V-1650-3 (or both)?

In a bit of pre-whining, dare I hope that we get a version running at something better than the factory +18 lbs/67" Hg WEP? A Mustang III at +25 lbs/81", perhaps? Even a P-51B running at the ETO standard 72" Hg would be nice.

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lrrp22
02-02-2004, 10:30 AM
I remember seeing development updates that showed both the greenhouse canopy and the Malcom hood version, but do we know whether we are getting the V-1650-7 engine or the V-1650-3 (or both)?

In a bit of pre-whining, dare I hope that we get a version running at something better than the factory +18 lbs/67" Hg WEP? A Mustang III at +25 lbs/81", perhaps? Even a P-51B running at the ETO standard 72" Hg would be nice.

http://www.geocities.com/ratuszynski/44/315_Brenzett7.jpg

[This message was edited by lrrp22 on Mon February 02 2004 at 09:43 AM.]

[This message was edited by lrrp22 on Mon February 02 2004 at 09:46 AM.]

Platypus_1.JaVA
02-02-2004, 10:48 AM
I would rather see an Allison variant http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Altough the B and C are cool also.

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TgD Thunderbolt56
02-02-2004, 11:06 AM
The allison variant was the A-36 dive bomber that (as I understand) is in developement by a third party already.

I agree with Irrp22 in that we should see one of the later variants with the increased manifold pressure. Whether "B" or "C", it doesn't matter to me, but then again, I don't think my opinion matters as it's likely already decided.



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lbhskier37
02-02-2004, 11:44 AM
did the razorback stangs have mirrors standard? Also, what year will these planes be, they seem like they will be a very interesting add-on.

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lrrp22
02-02-2004, 12:05 PM
The words "Standard" and "Mirrors" are nearly mutually exclusive with regards to Mustangs. The fit can range anywhere from none to two Spitifire mirrors angling off the sides of the windscreen. Internal mirrors were very common also.

As for year, the first ETO missions were flown in Dec, '43. Keep in mind that the P-51B of Dec '43 is a very different animal than the P-51B/C/Mustang III of Dec '44. My gut tells me that we are more likely to see the '43 version than the '44/'45 version. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lbhskier37:
did the razorback stangs have mirrors standard? Also, what year will these planes be, they seem like they will be a very interesting add-on.

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horseback
02-02-2004, 12:09 PM
a Razorback Merlin Mustang is, by definition, a vey late '43 or 1944 plane. The D model bubbletops started showing up in June, 1944, and by late September, few razorbacks were still in combat status in the ETO/Med. As I recall from my Detail & Scale book for the early Mustangs, razorback cockpits featured an internal mirror, next to the pull-down backup ring sight.

Operational Groups generally dispensed with the mirror to improve forward vision, which was not anything to write home about. The blown Malcolm hood was considered highly desirable, but I think that without the ability to '****' your point of view to take full advantage of the bulged canopy, its primary value will be in giving your AI wingman fewer canopy frames to hide behind before he tries to ram you.

Cheers

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p1ngu666
02-02-2004, 12:43 PM
so the best performing p51 would be a razorback with a merlin? and for no cockpit servers a non malcom hood?

lrrp22
02-02-2004, 12:55 PM
In everything but firepower. The +25 lbs boost Mustang III would be the fastest prop in the game at sea level-639 to 651 kph.

edit: ...and BTW, this version saw wide-spread operational service.

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so the best performing p51 would be a razorback with a merlin? and for no cockpit servers a non malcom hood?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Black Sheep
02-02-2004, 01:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

Originally posted by horseback:

The blown Malcolm hood was considered highly desirable, but I think that without the ability to '****' your point of view to take full advantage of the bulged canopy, its primary value will be in giving your AI wingman fewer canopy frames to hide behind before he tries to ram you.

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I must admit, this line made me laugh like an idiot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I hope the P51B's come with the Malcom hoods, they are in my view very very sexy looking planes indeed.