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PBNA-Boosher
08-01-2004, 08:43 AM
Today is the anniversary of the death of Lidiia "Lilya" Litvyak. She was the first female Ace pilot in the world. She had a total of 12 aerial kills and numerous other shared kills.

Lilya Litvyak joined Marina Raskova's fighter regiment, the 586 IAP during their training at Engels, and was known for having an unbreakable will. She had a very strong character. Because she was so enthusiastic about combat, and because she was a very good pilot, she was transferred to the 296 IAP in early 1942. She flew La-5's for a few months, and gained her first kills in that plane. The 296th then switched from La-5's to Yak-1's. During her experiences in the 296 IAP, she fell in love with the Squadron commander, Alexi Salomatin. They were engaged, but within a few weeks of their engagement, Alexi was killed in a flying accident while training a cadet how to dogfight. Lilya refused to stay behind on missions after this event. It seemed as if she had a death wish. There were times when her squadron had to hold her against the ground because they feared that she would take off into a swarm of German fighters and get herself killed.
In September 1943, Lilya was wounded badly by the pilot of a Bf-109 after having shot another one down, but she still managed to down another Ju-88. When she landed at her airfield she passed out once the plane came to a stop. She was in the hospital until May 1943.
She was supposed to stay home for a three week period, but as soon as she came out of the hospital, she disobeyed the doctor's orders and returned to combat flying. By this time she had transferred to flying the Yak-1b version. Her suicidal flying tendencies did not stop, and her precision flying skills and ruthless determination led German pilots to fear her aircraft, white 23. (Many sources claim that she painted a white lily on the sides of her plane, but there is no evidence of this in photographs or personal accounts.) The Russian press started to pick up her story, and nicknamed her "The White Rose of Stalingrad," mistaking the lily for a white rose. Lilya loved flowers, especially lilies, and her nickname, "Lilya," was given to her for this reason.
Then, on August 1st, 1943, Lilya took off on of her many sorties for that day, a flight to escort Sturmoviks to and back from a crucial target. The raid was a success, but on the way home, they ran into a group of Bf-109's. She had destroyed two earlier that day, but her wingman lost her, and she dissappeared into a cloud. She did not return to base like she had on previous occasions.
A large search party tried to locate her, but she was not found. Then, in 1989, the body of a woman who would have stood about 5'3'' was found buried underneath the wing of a destroyed Yak fighter. It was identified as Lilya, and she was buried with full military honors. Today in the Ukraine's Donetsk region, there is a statue dedicated in her memory. It has 12 stars for each aircraft she shot down. She was posthumously given the award of Hero of the Soviet Union in 1990 by Mikhail Gorbachev.

So take a moment out of today to remember Lilya, the first female Ace combat pilot, who flew with the 296 IAP during the Great Patriotic War.

Boosher
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PBNA-Boosher
08-01-2004, 08:43 AM
Today is the anniversary of the death of Lidiia "Lilya" Litvyak. She was the first female Ace pilot in the world. She had a total of 12 aerial kills and numerous other shared kills.

Lilya Litvyak joined Marina Raskova's fighter regiment, the 586 IAP during their training at Engels, and was known for having an unbreakable will. She had a very strong character. Because she was so enthusiastic about combat, and because she was a very good pilot, she was transferred to the 296 IAP in early 1942. She flew La-5's for a few months, and gained her first kills in that plane. The 296th then switched from La-5's to Yak-1's. During her experiences in the 296 IAP, she fell in love with the Squadron commander, Alexi Salomatin. They were engaged, but within a few weeks of their engagement, Alexi was killed in a flying accident while training a cadet how to dogfight. Lilya refused to stay behind on missions after this event. It seemed as if she had a death wish. There were times when her squadron had to hold her against the ground because they feared that she would take off into a swarm of German fighters and get herself killed.
In September 1943, Lilya was wounded badly by the pilot of a Bf-109 after having shot another one down, but she still managed to down another Ju-88. When she landed at her airfield she passed out once the plane came to a stop. She was in the hospital until May 1943.
She was supposed to stay home for a three week period, but as soon as she came out of the hospital, she disobeyed the doctor's orders and returned to combat flying. By this time she had transferred to flying the Yak-1b version. Her suicidal flying tendencies did not stop, and her precision flying skills and ruthless determination led German pilots to fear her aircraft, white 23. (Many sources claim that she painted a white lily on the sides of her plane, but there is no evidence of this in photographs or personal accounts.) The Russian press started to pick up her story, and nicknamed her "The White Rose of Stalingrad," mistaking the lily for a white rose. Lilya loved flowers, especially lilies, and her nickname, "Lilya," was given to her for this reason.
Then, on August 1st, 1943, Lilya took off on of her many sorties for that day, a flight to escort Sturmoviks to and back from a crucial target. The raid was a success, but on the way home, they ran into a group of Bf-109's. She had destroyed two earlier that day, but her wingman lost her, and she dissappeared into a cloud. She did not return to base like she had on previous occasions.
A large search party tried to locate her, but she was not found. Then, in 1989, the body of a woman who would have stood about 5'3'' was found buried underneath the wing of a destroyed Yak fighter. It was identified as Lilya, and she was buried with full military honors. Today in the Ukraine's Donetsk region, there is a statue dedicated in her memory. It has 12 stars for each aircraft she shot down. She was posthumously given the award of Hero of the Soviet Union in 1990 by Mikhail Gorbachev.

So take a moment out of today to remember Lilya, the first female Ace combat pilot, who flew with the 296 IAP during the Great Patriotic War.

Boosher
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-Gandalf

Vipez-
08-01-2004, 08:55 AM
Nice story


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tsisqua
08-01-2004, 09:04 AM
~S~ Lilya.

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johann_thor
08-01-2004, 09:40 AM
great post dude !


anyone have a picture of her ?

Udidtoo
08-01-2004, 10:20 AM
I've had her Yak skin for some time but I never knew that her body had been recovered.
Pretty remarkable and great to see she got recognition all those years later.

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PBNA-Boosher
08-01-2004, 10:34 AM
http://sgm.metropoliglobal.com/fotos/283.jpg

The one on the far left is Lilya, the other 2 are Katya Budanova (7 aerial kills, in middle) and Mariya Kutznetsova (far right, 3 aerial kills.)

http://www.france-simulation.com/articles/histoire/images/cata/femmespilotes/lydia%20Litvyak.jpg

http://pratt.edu/~rsilva/images/litvyak.jpg

I have a really good photograph of her that I printed out, and it's hanging on my wall, but I don't have a scanner and I don't remember from which website I got it. But those are her!

Boosher
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PBNA-Boosher
08-01-2004, 10:39 AM
Nevermind! I was able to find the REALLY GOOD photo of her. Here she is guys, in all her glory (and beauty, I might add.)

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Boosher/Lilyalitvyak4124.jpg

Boosher
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Waldo.Pepper
08-01-2004, 11:03 AM
Thanks Boosher

We remember.

hughlb2
08-01-2004, 11:04 AM
Her story would make an excellent filmhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Probably already been done though.

JoachimvMayern
08-01-2004, 11:15 AM
She is a pretty woman, but how embarrassing to be shot down by a girl.

Udidtoo
08-01-2004, 11:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hughlb2:
Her story would make an excellent filmhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Probably already been done though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If they did the rivet counting psy/film critics here would trash it to shreds before it ever left the drawing board phase. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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PBNA-Boosher
08-01-2004, 01:03 PM
I'm trying to make a movie about her with FB, but it's really hard. you mainly see the plane, and not her. What I'm trying to portray is that underneath all of that heroic babble, she was a real person. It's almost impossible to do that with FB.


But you're right. If Hollywood attempted to make a film about her.... Let's just say the writers would all be dead within a week.
Boosher
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[This message was edited by PBNA-Boosher on Sun August 01 2004 at 01:13 PM.]

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2004, 03:24 PM
Boosher, the real problem is that you rarely ever see a Yak 1 online in FB for all the Spits, and P-s. Even over Stalingrad, which is a rare enough map to find in a DF OR a co-op.

p1ngu666
08-01-2004, 03:40 PM
dont often find early war http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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PBNA-Boosher
08-01-2004, 05:17 PM
I fly the Yaks online, especially the Yak-1b with a Lilya paint scheme, and a Lilya pilot skin, hehe. And I wasn't talking about re-creating the battles over Stalingrad, I was asking everyone to take a minute or two out of their day to remember this brave, heroic female pilot.

Boosher
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WereSnowleopard
08-01-2004, 06:12 PM
Do you mean on March 22, 1943 the day she she was wounded when fight with six Bf-109?

I asked because I noticed strange dates, it said she was wounded in September 1943 forced stay in hospital until May 1943.

Cheers
Snowleopard

[This message was edited by WereSnowleopard on Sun August 01 2004 at 07:02 PM.]

LEXX_Luthor
08-01-2004, 06:13 PM
Udidtoo:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If they did the rivet counting psy/film critics here would trash it to shreds before it ever left the drawing board phase.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
mmm, they don't trash BoB movie here, and for good reason. They could do a good film of that quality if they wanted to, well someplace but USA Hollywood--although Apollo~13 was good, but that required the personal attention of Tom Hanks. I read the Hollywood Noobs tried to make one of the astronauts an alcholic or something to provide human conflict. Hanks refused but did allow the Noobs to put in that little domestic spat scene in the LM. Malcolm McDowell would be Awsum in a Night Beauties film, in what role I don't know.

Read an interview where one lady said they were not flattered by the name the Germans gave them, but would have preferred the Germans naming them Night Beauties.


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Maple_Tiger
08-01-2004, 08:38 PM
Cool story Boosher, but i think your a little obsessed with Lilya.

She does sound like a remarkable ladie though.

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A130
08-02-2004, 12:42 AM
Right on, Boosher. Good to see that you're staying on task here. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Props to Lilya for doing a tough job to the end and props to Gorbie for remembering. I've been telling people for years that he was a pretty decent guy...one more feather in his hat, as far as I'm concerned. It's great that she got recognition for her achievements, even if they were posthumous.

Just out of curiosity, since I haven't started running down links yet...I'm assuming that she was indeed given an actual burial next to her plane (as a burial was mentioned), but does anyone have any info on how she was brought down (weather, damage, etc?) and just who buried her, and how?

It doesn't change the outcome, of course, but it always makes me feel a little better to know that someone got a decent burial. I know she's gotten one since WWII, but it would be nice if she'd gotten one at the time.

RAF74_Buzzsaw
08-02-2004, 12:58 AM
Salute

Stigr, RAF74 and 249IAP are flying a Kursk war versus II/JG1 and WingWalkers in which we very often fly Yak-1b's, along with La-5f's and some FN's.

Maybe the typical dogfight server might not see them that much, but those who are interested in historical matchups will happily fly the correct aircraft.

http://www.aircombat.net/

Cheers RAF74 Buzzsaw

jurinko
08-02-2004, 01:32 AM
did you notice, when she disappeared she was most probably suspected of being captured (big crime in Soviet conditions) and there was most probably comlete silence about her for decades. She was recognized as a Hero of USSR only after being found. Those bolshevist bastards treated own people much worse than dogs.

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Skarphol
08-02-2004, 04:32 AM
The Silver Triggers made a movie called "The White Rose of Stalingrad"! The film is quite "old" in comparison with other films mentioned on this forum, it's from the good old "IL-2 times". The film can be found on www.silvertriggers.tk (http://www.silvertriggers.tk) , but that site is down as I write these words. Don't know why, it was online before the weekend.
The film doesn't hold it own agains later films like "Bellum" but it's entertaining enough, and reveals some interresting facts about Lilya Litvyaks carreer.

Skarphol

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Nanuk66
08-02-2004, 05:02 AM
I agrre with the guy that said something about 'obsession'.

Good story thou.

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310th Falcon
08-02-2004, 05:09 AM
Yeah www.silvertriggers.tk (http://www.silvertriggers.tk) has been down all day. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

There is a site that does have the movie.
http://www.france-simulation.com/

Click on the video then click "FB/AEP Movies"

Unfortunately it is in Archives status. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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Send us three blank CD rom with an envelope with your address add 3 blanks CD as compensation for postage return (we can't paid return postage for each user)
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Contact redacteur@france-simulation.com to obtain snail mail coordinates to send us your blank CD
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Not a very good option above..but maybe someone at the moviemakers forum might have it.

Not sure Pawnee has it available anymore.


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[This message was edited by 310th Falcon on Mon August 02 2004 at 04:32 AM.]

PBNA-Boosher
08-02-2004, 08:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jurinko:
Those bolshevist bastards treated own people much worse than dogs.
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No, she was suspected of having defected to the side of Germany. The reason they could so easily make people who didn't know her believe this is because her father was killed during the Stalinist purges of the 1930's. However, after they found her, that was all forgotten. Her greatest fear was always that she might go missing, because she knew this is what the commanders would say about her.

Boosher
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wayno7777
08-02-2004, 08:24 AM
Good job, Boosh! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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310th Falcon
08-07-2004, 05:30 PM
Pawnee's....web site is back up. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"White Rose of Stalingrad" is still available for downloading.
Link: http://www.hinttech.com/~f16/downloadshinttech/film/il2/TheWhiteRoseofStalingrad_highres-st.zip

Enjoy the movie


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JaguarMEX
08-08-2004, 11:49 AM
nice movie

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M.R.Maiornikov
08-08-2004, 07:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Those bolshevist bastards treated own people much worse than dogs.
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I totally agree with you but...bolsheviks is not a good word because it wasnt't the normal people but the politicians and i wish you use the word politicians because normal russian person like me doesn't deserve to be called bastard...thanks

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Ziam
08-09-2004, 04:55 AM
Cheers. Here's a rather good article about Lilya Litvyak.

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/litvak/litvak.htm

Check the entire site as it's filled with huge ammounts of info about pilots in WW2 (Marina Raskova has a dedicated article in the Soviet pilot section as well).

310th Falcon
08-09-2004, 06:25 AM
Nice Article on her. Good find.

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DeAbajo
08-09-2004, 08:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
I'm trying to make a movie about her with FB, but it's really hard. you mainly see the plane, and not her. What I'm trying to portray is that underneath all of that heroic babble, she was a real person. It's almost impossible to do that with FB.


But you're right. If Hollywood attempted to make a film about her.... Let's just say the writers would all be dead within a week.
Boosher
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[This message was edited by PBNA-Boosher on Sun August 01 2004 at 01:13 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Holywood rather not...it would come like the Pearl Harbour portrait of handsome actors-pilots and huns flying 20 metters above the ground...I have seen quite good russian movies, they were really good in monumental show of the Great Patriotic War... (if you are lucky, the "Liberation" 5 part film is one of I am talking about...)