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wotan111
03-31-2004, 02:51 PM
With the release of Pacfic Fighters ( which for me isnt really an area of WW2 which I have a great interest in. Maybe as it was mainly between the USA and Japan.) Will IL2 FB stop being supported in the way of Patches etc?

I was under the impression that the next game was BOB which I will buy a new PC for. I wouldnt do this for any other game. However I dont know whether I will buy PAcfic Fighters if it is a full priced stand alone sim.

wotan111
03-31-2004, 02:51 PM
With the release of Pacfic Fighters ( which for me isnt really an area of WW2 which I have a great interest in. Maybe as it was mainly between the USA and Japan.) Will IL2 FB stop being supported in the way of Patches etc?

I was under the impression that the next game was BOB which I will buy a new PC for. I wouldnt do this for any other game. However I dont know whether I will buy PAcfic Fighters if it is a full priced stand alone sim.

carguy_
03-31-2004, 02:54 PM
If it is going to be a standalone I`m probably going to stick with AEP and wait for BOB.

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wotan111
03-31-2004, 02:57 PM
My thoughts also.

This could split the communtiy up though which is a shame.

evey999
03-31-2004, 03:12 PM
A good point, I'm very excited about the battle of britain sim. Hopefully AI, Flight models etc will be common so a tweek in either game will be applicable to both.

The question is will IL2's code be updated or will it be left to wither until an IL2 2.0 comes out using the new PF and BOB core code?

I hope there will be a good manual for each title, I'd pay extra for a hard copy of the manual included in the game box. Ie a lite version with electronic manual or a full version with a LOMAC manual type folder.

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Bearcat99
03-31-2004, 03:20 PM
Ill buy it regardless...though I am not a big fan of the PTO either. Too much water. I'd buy it just to experience a Corsair under Oleg's FMs. It wouldnt be so bad if it was a standalone yet still compatible with the FB engine...... where you could switch objects and planes around and it would work. THAT would be great actually..... I had CFS2.. but i didnt fly it much.. I preferred one because of the theatre.


evey999 wrote:
The question is will IL2's code be updated or will it be left to wither until an IL2 2.0 comes out using the new PF and BOB core code?

The AEP is IL2FB version 2.0. I am hoping that PF will update the FB engine to 3.0 after the next series of patches.



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JR_Greenhorn
03-31-2004, 03:33 PM
I have some interest in the PTO, but I have a great interest in CBI. Either way, I will likely try to get PF, but I hope upon hope it is compatible with everything we already have in FB & AEP. With the USN and especially the British carriers we will get in PF, we could make MTO-ish missions until the Offical Med game comes out post-BoB. Just think how great it would be to retain the existing maps in PF. With the landing craft that have been promised in PF, D-Day missions will be possible if we can still use the Normandy map and German Objects.

Even if not everyone is interested in Pacific operations at sea, full compatibility between the two games would multiply the simming options we already have in FB & AEP.

H.Keller
03-31-2004, 03:40 PM
I get the feeling that PF won't be that popular, I mean there is a certain interest in the ETO that I just don't think the PTO has. I think that the addition of the 2 Japanese planes and a "Pacific" map was enough to whet the appetite of the IL2 community as far as the PTO is concerned. I don't think adding a few more planes and aircraft carriers will be enough to base a whole title on. It might fly as an expansion pack but not as a stand-alone.

I feel kinda ripped off paying as much as I did for AEP just to get 2 planes that I wanted to fly, (BF-110 and Me-163). There's no way that I would pay full price just to try landing on an a carrier. I think they should do a little more reasearch before they commit to making this it's own title.

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Ballbuster1
03-31-2004, 03:49 PM
They really need to clear this mess up right away. The release of an add-on to FB would keep the cohesion of the community and the sim. A stand alone Pacific Fighters is just not a good idea IMHO. Can you imagine what would happend to online play if a third stand alone 1C World War 2 flight sim. Please Oleg make it an add-on and keep us all together. Don't split things up for WWII with multiple non compatiable sims please.

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Flakwalker
03-31-2004, 03:51 PM
Well, FB/AEP are mainly based in the eastern front and there still things to be done for this scenary like an Italian, Croatian, early Bulgary, early Romania and early Poland campaigns (if not others) aswell more maps covering some missing areas like Minsk, Kiev, Kishinev, etc, aswell there are a lot of russian and german planes to be flayable and added, and of other nations too.
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wotan111
03-31-2004, 03:54 PM
The fact it has its own forum spells full price title to me.

Lav69
03-31-2004, 03:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H.Keller:
I get the feeling that PF won't be that popular, I mean there is a certain interest in the ETO that I just don't think the PTO has. I think that the addition of the 2 Japanese planes and a "Pacific" map was enough to whet the appetite of the IL2 community as far as the PTO is concerned. I don't think adding a few more planes and aircraft carriers will be enough to base a whole title on. It might fly as an expansion pack but not as a stand-alone.

I feel kinda ripped off paying as much as I did for AEP just to get 2 planes that _I_ wanted to fly, (BF-110 and Me-163). There's no way that I would pay full price just to try landing on an a carrier. I think they should do a little more reasearch before they commit to making this it's own title.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You sir are certifiably insane. What a silly post. You no where near speak for this member of the iL2 community. I cannot wait for this, as many others of this community have also stated.

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JimRockford
03-31-2004, 03:58 PM
A Pacific version will make me forget the rest for a long time. (My Father battled the Japanese in WWII in the pacific so I guess maybe that's why eh?) I'd loan out a left nut for a Corsair to fly too.

wotan111
03-31-2004, 04:03 PM
I have a feeling that American and Japanese players will find Pacific Fighters far more of an essential pruchase than us Britiash. (though this is only an assumption). This is prob because the Americans had far more of an involvement in the PTO.

We brits are waiting I feel for the BOB game to arrive. We have been sorely left out of previous releases and the PAcific Fighters wont help with this matter.

heywooood
03-31-2004, 04:11 PM
Ol'hosenose.. whistling death.. the bentwing beauty...

Hey - dont worry until we know whether we need to worry.. lets let UBI et.al. spell it all out for us in the next few days.

Either way - we are some lucky sob's.. we look to have hundreds of flyable warbirds in the next few months one way or the other..

If you dont want to pay - dont. simple

Ballbuster1
03-31-2004, 04:19 PM
It is not about wanted too or not wanted to pay. EVERYONE is ready to pay. The issue is simple, stand alone non compatible vs add-on or at least compatability with FB. It IS a big issue and they should just say its is or it is not. That would clear things up and we could move on.

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Covino
03-31-2004, 04:43 PM
I really don't see the difference in compatability between a stand-alone vs. an addon PF. AEP is not compatible on normal FB servers. PF Addon = non-compatible. PF Standalone = non-compatible. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

VW-IceFire
03-31-2004, 04:43 PM
Oleg has previous stated in an interview that FB support would be carried upto the release of BoB and potentially after that date as well (although in a much reduced number).

I suspect that the majority of third party projects will be in the game by the end of this year. Thats my guess...

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Chuck_Older
03-31-2004, 04:45 PM
It's hard for me to comprehend http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but I have a book on reading here and I'll try...it's hard stuff. I have a VHS tape on reading, too, but I can't get my tape on how to work my vcr to play, so bear with me...but it seems to me that wild speculation over this is a premature standpoint, and concern over compatibility, while being vaild for some, boils down to two options:

1) a re-hash of FB, limited by FB's shortcomings

2) a fresh start using the elements of FB that were great, and polishing up elements that need it.


Like I said before, this is all getting silly. Let's all run around in a circle, wringing our hands, and murmuring, "firefirefirefirefire", it will have the same purpose. It's not as if PF is getting released next week. Jeez, this is a software title we're flipping out about http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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Ballbuster1
03-31-2004, 04:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EvilBen:
I really don't see the difference in compatability between a stand-alone vs. an addon PF. AEP is not compatible on normal FB servers. PF Addon = non-compatible. PF Standalone = non-compatible. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe you just misunderstood "my" point. IL-2=separate game not compatible with IL-FB. AEP "add-on" to IL-2 FB and "compatible as an upgrade to FB" ie. IL-2 FB version 2.0 on the opening screen. In addition, all of the planes, maps, campaigns, objects, etc.. old and new work together inside of FB.

A separate Pacific fighters means nothing in IL-2 FB/AEP will work in PF as it is a "separate" game. Specifically, will multi action planes like the P-47, P-38/9 etc.. be represented or just the carrier planes etc.. It would be nice that upon making a press release they could have added
*STAND ALONE PRODUCT NOT COMPATIBLE WITH IL-2 FB*
or
*ADD-ON PRODUCT REQUIRES ORIGINAL IL-2 FB*

Just like it says on the AEP box art. What would it hurt to have done that? YOu see the result of not doing it "fear and skepticism". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Bearcat99
03-31-2004, 05:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EvilBen:
I really don't see the difference in compatability between a stand-alone vs. an addon PF. AEP is not compatible on normal FB servers. PF Addon = non-compatible. PF Standalone = non-compatible. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What most of you fail to realize is that all the AEP is is a super patch. Just like you couldnt fly in 1.21 if you were patched to 1.22 you cant fly AEP without it. Frankly I cant understand why anyone wouldnt get the AEP. It brings FB up to version 2.0. I am wondering will PF be version 3.0 or 1.0.... I hope it is 3.0. Those who dont get the AEP are just short changing themselves. Now.... if the next patch will install over 1.22 and will give everything in the AEP I will be pissed. But I doubt it. You probably wont be able to use the next patch if you afent running 2.0. Which is just as it should be. Plus since they are working on a whole new engine for BoB I doubt very seriously if they will have a seperate "mid engined" sim. It makes more sense to make PF compatible with FB AND capable of being a stand alone product.. which would basically just make it the FB engine with none of FBs planes..or maybe a few that are common to both theatres. Like the 2.0 FMs or better yet whatever tweaked FMs come with the next few patches. I think there are 2 patches due before the fall.

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Capt._Tenneal
03-31-2004, 05:39 PM
I shouldn't be worried about PF splitting the community, if it was me. I'm not all that interested in the upcoming BoB or if there are any plans for a FB Med version, but I'll still buy them to support Oleg. I consider BoB as an appetizer for the big ones to follow: revisiting the Eastern Front, the Bombing Campaign in Europe, and more Pacific with the new BoB engine. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ForkTailedDevil
03-31-2004, 05:56 PM
While it isn't historical, I want to battle Luftwaffe and Japanses fighters together and US Navy fighters vs. the Luftwaffe. Just to see what happens.

WUAF_Boxer
03-31-2004, 06:08 PM
If its an addon, it will be great. It will add even more planes maps etc. to an already amazing game. If its a stand alone and I have to choose between playing in the pacific or in europe, I will be playing in europe. But it will be sad because it will split the community and we will have less players and servers online for FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

stelr
03-31-2004, 06:54 PM
I'm for "add-on" also. Really hope it's 3.0 as stated above, and not 1.0.

Anyway, I am gonna love getting the Corsair as well, and the best part of all....CARRIER LANDINGS!!!

They can have the best of both worlds by making it an add-on, and charging full (stand-alone game) price. I'll bet the community would buy it...interested in the PTO or not. I've never before been that interested in the airwar on the eastern front, but the graphics engine of IL2 pulled me here. Now, I'm interested! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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JG6_Oddball
03-31-2004, 07:55 PM
dont be concerned with the PF sim, what i am concerned about is my FPS in this new game....whats going to happen when GODZILLA shows up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif becuase you know he always shows up to save the day http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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H.Keller
03-31-2004, 09:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lav69:

You sir are certifiably insane. What a silly post. You no where near speak for this member of the iL2 community. I cannot wait for this, as many others of this community have also stated.
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I hope you don't feel insulted if I get a second opinion on the Insane diagnosis. In my post I clearly stated that it was "my feeling" and that it was something that I thought. Not once did I claim to speak for you or anybody else. The point of these forums, and any forum for that matter, is to express an opinion and to share a point of view, and that's all I was trying to do.

I don't have an interest in the PTO and I will not be purchasing this game should it be a standalone title.

I wouldn't even think of standing in your way if you so desired to purchase it yourself, I was merely stating that I am in the group of those who wouldn't be interested in buying it if it was released as a seperate title from FB. I have seen several posts of people wishing for a "patch/upgrade" to FB and I am one of them.

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RicknZ
03-31-2004, 11:27 PM
You guys are quite understandably exicted about the prospect of lfying new planes liek the corsair.

Are you still excited about the prospect of not being able to fly your current mounts FB has in abundance?

Or perhaps you think you can play two games simultaniously?

IMHO the new sim is a gimmick.

RicknZ
03-31-2004, 11:31 PM
An economic point i feel i should make.
Stand-alone, some il2 players wont be buying it.

Add-on, almost all il2 players will end up buying it. (like we did with FB)

UCLANUPE
03-31-2004, 11:34 PM
Everyone relax this is from Luthier

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
The forums's desire to overreact in the most dramatic fashion continues to amaze me.

First of all, I highly recommend for you NOT to take at heart everything you hear from somebody working on the project. I have never given Gibbage detailed project plans and feature lists, and very few people besides myself, Oleg and Ubi top brass are fully aware of everything that we're going to have in this project. Please, if it doesn't come directly from the people running the project, just take it with a grain of salt

Now, the project is a giant undertaking. We're doing over a dozen large maps with nearly a hundred new building types, many dozens new ground vehicles for four different countries, a very long list of ship classes with several ships often modeled in a class, and certainly way more than 10 NEW flyable aircraft, plus a very large number of applicable flyable and AI aircraft carried over from FB.

Why you guys started running around with 10 flyable aircraft is beyond me, since the official announcement clearly lists the number of flyables as "over 40".

So, anyone believing that this project should be an add-on as opposed to a stand-alone product needs a serious reality check.

And before you begin to run around with your hair on fire and worry about splitting the community, whoever said that we're going to do such a thing? Nothing has been decided yet to the best of my knowledge. The only thing I can say at this point that the two products will be fully compatible and there's no technical limitations in the engine that would prevent a Bf-109 from flying over Iwo Jima or an Aichi Val over Leningrad.

[This message was edited by luthier1 on Wed March 31 2004 at 07:45 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Capt.LoneRanger
04-01-2004, 12:16 AM
I don't see PF is a problem.

Personally, I'm very interested in the PacificTheatre. Especially after IL2FB, cause it'll be the true playground of my P40 =) - hopefully....
I doubt that the community will be divided. I think it'll rather be more diversity. You can choose wether you're gonna play IL2FB or PF, if it really will be a stand alone, and if it's an addon despite of what some people claim to know, we've the same situation as with the AEP. It didn't divide the community, too.
Instead there are many people running the original IL2FB and the AEP together on one machine, being able to choose the game according to the server they wanna join. I doubt that just because there's something new, everybody's gonna abandon IL2FB. I will most surely not, though I'm very interested in PF.

BoB is still over a year to go. I'm looking forward to that game a LOT more than any other title announced, but it's far too distant in the future to say "I'm gonna wait for that specific game,, regardless of what happens".

Just wait and see, what they're up to.

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GR142-Pipper
04-01-2004, 01:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ballbuster1:
They really need to clear this mess up right away. The release of an add-on to FB would keep the cohesion of the community and the sim. A stand alone Pacific Fighters is just not a good idea IMHO. (snip)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Personally, I just don't think it makes any sense at all (commercial or otherwise) to make the Pacific-based release a completely separate stand-alone product. The reason is quite simple. By making them separate products, people are discouraged from purchasing a "companion" product. Keeping the new releases as "add-ons" (even for a fee as in the case of AEP) provides a clear path for companion product purchase. Again, to do otherwise simply makes no sense.

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