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crazyivan1970
02-12-2004, 05:56 PM
can`t paste in...WTF

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02-12-2004, 05:56 PM
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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

crazyivan1970
02-12-2004, 05:56 PM
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"First encounters between soviet fighter and Me-262 clearly showed that jet plane was extreamly dangerous nad powerful opponent. In the end of February of 1945 soviet command called a conference in order to discuss methods of defeating jet fighters with popeller driven ones. It turned out that in comparasion Me262 and Yak9 was something like BF-109 and I-16 in the beginning of the war. As a practical result this conference released a ducument that ordered fighter pilot to open fire against Me262 from the distance of 600m! Chances to hit the target from this distance were almost zero and such order only represents deepest respect to german fighter. All other decisions were taken later, after Me262 was finally captured and studied.

First Me262 was captured in April and May of 1945, back then regiemnts of 16th army received over 20 Me163 and Me262 that were captured on the airfields of Oranienburg , Daglov and Tempelhof. General Savitskiy had a chance to examine cockpit of one of the jets that was captured in Dalgov. POW, German pilot , was assisting him. Another Me262 was found by pilots of 2nd GvIAP in Shabindorfe. Planes were transported in NII VVS where soviet scientists examined them in detail.

In April of 1945 german pilot Helmut Lennartz from JG7 made an emergency landing . During landing both engines on his plane W.#.170063 were damaged from the soil that got stuck in them. After that plane eneded up in the hands of Red Army and was transported to NII VVS and repared under supervision of prime engeneer I.G. Rabkin. After that plane was turn to the pilots for flight tirals.

First soviet pilot who got Me262 in the air was Andrey Kochetkov, on the Spetember 15th 1945 he took off on the repaired jet for flight trials. Up to November of 1945 he completed 17 flgihts and was awarded with highest regard of HSU. During trials were discovered the very same trouble with high speed handling that were encountered by german designers. While making an attempt to reach max speed of 870 km/h plane fell into uncontrolable dive. But pilot was lucky because flight was at 11,000m and Kochetkov managed to recover plane and save it.
Other pilots who had a chance to fly Me262 were: Stefanovsky, Proshakov, Terentiev Savitskiy and other. It is not known if the flew the same plane that Kochetkov did or there were other german jets that were available for trials. From all Me262s that were captured only one , the first one has documented history of it. W#. 170063. On September 17, 1946 due to engines failure plane crushed and buried under its rubble a test pilot F. F. Demid. It was the fist pilot of NII VVS who was a victim of jet planes."


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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

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02-12-2004, 06:04 PM
great read. thanks.

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SKULLS_LZ
02-12-2004, 07:06 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
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Thanks for this great article Ivan! I'm surprised the captured 262 made as many flights as it did!! It was way out of warranty by 46 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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02-12-2004, 07:21 PM
thank you crazy
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BaldieJr
02-12-2004, 07:24 PM
262's were never in Russia. La7 and Yak pilots were at the border banning them.

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georgeo76
02-12-2004, 07:27 PM
I'm curious how the Germans operated the 262 on the eastern front. I mean there were no large, hi-alt bombers like on the western front, seems the 262 would have been less effective against IL2s and Pe3s.

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LEXX_Luthor
02-12-2004, 07:32 PM
Yea me to georgeo, even more so wozop with that Komet rocket that Russian dude shot down?


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Old_Canuck
02-13-2004, 12:12 AM
Verrrrry interestink. Thanks for positing this Crazy Ivan. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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mortoma
02-13-2004, 09:51 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by georgeo76:
I'm curious how the Germans operated the 262 on the eastern front. I mean there were no large, hi-alt bombers like on the western front, seems the 262 would have been less effective against IL2s and Pe3s.

Well, if FB is a realistic indication, it must have been extremely effective against them. I can zoom up behind a flight of IL2s and down nearly every one of them in a single pass.
PE-3s and 3s are a piece of cake. Haven't you ever tried a campaign in the 262?? It's normal for me to shoot down 5 to 8 planes in a single sortie.....After 8 or 10 missions I have a total of at least 50 to 70 aircraft downed. No wonder they ban it online, nothing can touch it.......

crazyivan1970
02-13-2004, 10:40 AM
Looks like Kozhedub was the only soviet fighter pilot that managed to shoot down Me-262, here`s a fragment of his interview:

"AH: What were the circumstances of your success over the Me-262?

Kozhedub: On February 19, 1945, 1 was on a lone-wolf operation together with Dmitry Titorenko to the north of Frankfurt. I noticed a plane at an altitude of 350 meters (2,170 feet). It was flying along the Oder at a speed that was marginal for my plane. I made a quick about-face and started pursuing it at full throttle, coming down so as to approach it from under the "belly." My wingman opened fire, and the Me-262 (which was a jet, as I had already realized) began turning left, over to my side, losing speed in the process. That was the end of it. I would never have overtaken it if it had flown in a straight line. The main thing was to attack enemy planes during turns, ascents or descents, and not to lose precious seconds.
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It`s quiet obvious that if wasn`t for mistake of german pilot there would be no success on Kozhedub`s part.
References to jet planes on eastern front are not that common in memoirs of soviet pilots. And ones that i came across pretty much saying the same thing, Me-262 was not a part of fighter intercept, it was used as dedicated IL2 or other bombers killer or ground attack plane. Mostly bomber destroyer i would say. The preferable tactic was to pick soviet bombers on their recovery from a dive. Same applies to IL2s. I haven`t seen a single reference of soviet fighter planes shot down in aircombat by Me-262, but IT DOES NOT mean that it never happened.

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

frag_bravo
02-13-2004, 07:38 PM
Thanks for the read.Im at work with nothin to do

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02-14-2004, 10:39 AM
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