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Dntrnuldytrd
02-29-2004, 08:04 AM
I've just finished reading, Castles in the Air by Martin W. Bowman. On several occasions the B-17 crews of the US 8th Air Force reported being attacked by rocket armed 88's. Has anybody else read an account of this. It would be interesting if we could replicate this in FB.

Dntrnuldytrd
02-29-2004, 08:04 AM
I've just finished reading, Castles in the Air by Martin W. Bowman. On several occasions the B-17 crews of the US 8th Air Force reported being attacked by rocket armed 88's. Has anybody else read an account of this. It would be interesting if we could replicate this in FB.

Platypus_1.JaVA
02-29-2004, 08:09 AM
I know of the Me-110/210 hving this...

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SUPERAEREO
02-29-2004, 08:16 AM
They could have mistaken the Me.110/410 for Junkers planes, especially seeing that they were firing from a distance.

Although I wouldn't exclude that occasionally Ju.88 nightfighters MIGHT conceivably have engaged 8th AF bombers, I have never heard of rocket installations being used on them.

S!

Chuck_Older
02-29-2004, 09:07 AM
The JU-88 fulfilled many roles. It could be equipped as a bomber interceptor and was also used as a night fighter/intruder when equipped with Lichtenstein radar.

The second pre-prototyoe JU-88A was adapted to have a solid nose with three 7.92mm mgs and one 20 mm cannon. Further fighter developments added an additional cannon. Since it had a capabilty to carry heavy weight in bomb loads, I have no doubt that rockets and mortar fired projectiles could be slung under the fuselage and wings of the JU-88.

The JU-88C-1 was supposed to be the first fighter version, but instead, many JU-88A-1s were converted at the factories to be JU-88C-2s.
The first JU-88 built as a dedicated fighter was the JU-88C-4. The JU-88C-6 was a heavily armored day fighter that was in large scale regular production. Weapons of up to 75mm (PaK 40 and KwK 39) were used as tank busting weapons, and also 37 and 50mm cannons were mounted, but my source indicates that these were for ground targets.

The JU-88 also had photo-electric cells and oblique upward firing cannon, intended for the destruction of bombers.

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DangerForward
02-29-2004, 09:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dntrnuldytrd:
I've just finished reading, Castles in the Air by Martin W. Bowman. On several occasions the B-17 crews of the US 8th Air Force reported being attacked by rocket armed 88's. Has anybody else read an account of this. It would be interesting if we could replicate this in FB.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm pretty sure that it happened. I believe it was tried atleast in 2nd Schweinfurt. A book I have on the 110/210/410 series talked using the JU88(or 188) as a "Destroyer" instead of the 110 family. I think especially where range and alt performance were needed. Eventually it worked out on the western front that the JU88 family was preferred for the bombing and the 410 preferred for attacking bombers.

DangerForward

Fillmore
02-29-2004, 09:29 AM
Ju88C-6 is listed in my reference as a Zerstorer = Heavy Fighter. 3xMG17 and 3xMG-FF in the nose. April 1942. No mention of later versions with heavier armament. I can only assume it was intended to escort/intercept anti-shipping bombers (i'm not sure what else they would intend in 1942, for missions of longer range than 110 was capable).

Gershy
02-29-2004, 09:57 AM
Several Ju88 versions were produced as bomber destroyers and day/night-interceptors until the end of the war in quite large numbers. I read that in the Schweinfurt raid even some Ju87 were used to attack the bombers. Later when the USAF used escorts for their bombers the Ju88s and Me110s were ordered to stay away as they were chanceless vs the fighters. Sometimes the Nighfighter squads had to patrol along the border of Sweden and Switzerland during daytime to prevent damaged bombers which broke formation to escape to those neutral countries for emergency landings.

FW190fan
02-29-2004, 10:28 AM
Where is Jippo when you need him?

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Gershy
02-29-2004, 10:34 AM
I think this should help a bit till Jippo appears http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/germany/junkers/ju_88/Ju_88_nf.htm

horseback
02-29-2004, 01:07 PM
The Ju 88C and G series were used as both day and night fighters, although the day fighter use was severely curtailed by Spring of '44, as Allied escort fighters began exploiting their increased ranges. It would take some effort to confuse the Ju 88 with the much smaller Me-110/210/410 fighters, not least because of the way the engines were installed.

Ju 88s had what appeared to be radial engine mounts; even the Jumo 211 engined versions featured an annular radiator setup similar to the FW 190D's. In the heat of combat, there was very little outward difference from the models with BMW 801 radial engines. The Messerschmitts had standard in-line engine streamlining.

The suitability of the Ju 88 for the heavy fighter riole was recognized as early as 1939, and led to the development of the solid nosed C series and later the G series. The Ju 88 made a near ideal bomber destroyer: fast, rugged, reletively agile, and able to carry an impressive variety of hard hitting armament.

Of course they were used against the daylight heavy bombers. Most of the top escort aces had one or two of them on his kill list.

cheers

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Jippo01
02-29-2004, 02:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
Where is Jippo when you need him?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Most answers have already come, and article posted by Gershy is a very good one about Ju-88 fighters.

Ju-88's with heavier rifled armament did exist and they were also used against USAF raids early in their bombing campaign, despite the fact that they were designed for anti-tank operations in the east. Three models existed: 2x37mm, 1x50mm and 1x75mm cannon variants. 37mm cannon is the same as in Ju-87G so already it packs heavy punch, rest being even harder hitting.

I have't heard about rockets being used with Ju-88's but that doesn't say that they weren't. At least it was possible. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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Gershy
02-29-2004, 03:39 PM
I heard about 1 Ju88C being reequipped with Nebelwerfer rockets and renamed Ju88N but I don't know if it ever saw combat and IF it did it was probably used against groundtargets.