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Deathreaper666
03-30-2004, 01:19 PM
The reason I ask is because I would like to know what you feel about the WWII Japanese being referred to as Nips or Japs on this board. In America it was used in a less than flattering way to describe the Japanese soldier during the war. Since then it has been adopted by subsequent generations not alive during that time.

Coming from a generation born after the war I just feel it should not be used because it 'could be' considered racist. What do the Japanese people feel about the terms if anything at all? Thanks.

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Deathreaper666
03-30-2004, 01:19 PM
The reason I ask is because I would like to know what you feel about the WWII Japanese being referred to as Nips or Japs on this board. In America it was used in a less than flattering way to describe the Japanese soldier during the war. Since then it has been adopted by subsequent generations not alive during that time.

Coming from a generation born after the war I just feel it should not be used because it 'could be' considered racist. What do the Japanese people feel about the terms if anything at all? Thanks.

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Maple_Tiger
03-30-2004, 01:32 PM
Good point Deathreaper666.

Other ccountries also have nick names for european people and vise versa.

Im afrade this type of thread will proubly end up being locked.

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Deathreaper666
03-30-2004, 01:35 PM
Not trying to start any trouble here. I just think that it is a good idea to get the feelings across that may not have had a voice here prior to this time. If you are not Japanese then just pass this thread by. If you want to flame me please do so by private topic thanks.

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maxim26
03-30-2004, 01:37 PM
What about craut for Germans? Is it racism?

I think sruf like thet is OK, when you see it in movies. It's just hystorical accuracy. But I dont think the names like thet are appropriate here, in the forum, because of the international comunity.

Would you call your japanese friend a "jap" in the face? I don't think so.

Cold_Gambler
03-30-2004, 02:16 PM
I quite agree with Maxim26 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PikeBishop
03-31-2004, 02:14 AM
Dear all,

Frankly I'm sick to death of people that over-react to comments that are only potentially harmful if people allow themselves to think that way and therefore make them so.
One of my closest friends is black and I have always called him every derogetory term for a Black person that there is.......notice the way I have to pussyfoot around allowing oversensitive people to dictate how I should behave. Lets just forget about 'Racism' and credit people on this forum with a bit more sense and therefore respect.

regards,

SLP

resev
03-31-2004, 02:34 AM
If i'm not mistaken, the Japanese slang term for any non-Japanese is gwailo.

But i'm not sure if its Japanese or Chinese.

Either way, it doesn't bother me, and it shouldn't bother any of you either.

Brits, Limeys, Yanks, Krauts, Merrikans, Yurpians, Canucks, Fish sticks, Roos, Bagles, Waffles, Yupities, Franz, Rednecks, Pinkos, toothies, Gwailos.

Some terms are more offensive than others, but the meaning is the same, what they mean is to generalize a certain population trough a simple understandable folklore term.

Cheers.

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M0NS
03-31-2004, 02:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PikeBishop:
Dear all,

Frankly I'm sick to death of people that over-react to comments that are only potentially harmful if people allow themselves to think that way and therefore make them so.
One of my closest friends is black and I have always called him every derogetory term for a Black person that there is.......notice the way I have to pussyfoot around allowing oversensitive people to dictate how I should behave. Lets just forget about 'Racism' and credit people on this forum with a bit more sense and therefore respect.

regards,

SLP<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed on that & I see your point. I have friends from India, Pakistan, Palestine & other countries & we too make fun with each other over our ethnic differenses - BUT - this is the internet & it can be difficult to see if a joke was made "with love"... - things are often misunderstood on these forums because we can't see each other physically & people get hurt or upset. What you post on the forums is read by people you don't know & don't know you & your sense of humour so we must be a little more careful than in RL. When that is said I don't personally mind people calling me silly names.
I only take it as a sign that I've been accepted by them... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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PikeBishop
03-31-2004, 03:01 AM
Well said......erm...Mister 'silly names'

ulriktham74
03-31-2004, 03:01 AM
Just a note - since it popped into my mind:

Happen to know that "gwailo" is CHINESE word for foreigner/jerk/bonehead. Japanese use "gaijin" for 'foreigner'.

Just a note...glad I could help. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by resev:
If i'm not mistaken, the Japanese slang term for any non-Japanese is _gwailo_.

But i'm not sure if its Japanese or Chinese.

Either way, it doesn't bother me, and it shouldn't bother any of you either.

Brits, Limeys, Yanks, Krauts, Merrikans, Yurpians, Canucks, Fish sticks, Roos, Bagles, Waffles, Yupities, Franz, Rednecks, Pinkos, toothies, Gwailos.

Some terms are more offensive than others, but the meaning is the same, what they mean is to generalize a certain population trough a simple understandable folklore term.

Cheers.

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PikeBishop
03-31-2004, 03:04 AM
But I will always live by the rule of 'sticks and stones may break my bones.............'
And 'I may not agree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it'

regards,

SLP

PikeBishop
03-31-2004, 03:05 AM
But I will always live by the rule of 'sticks and stones may break my bones.............'
And 'I may not agree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it'

regards,

SLP

PikeBishop
03-31-2004, 03:05 AM
But I will always live by the rule of 'sticks and stones may break my bones.............'
And 'I may not agree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it'

regards,

SLP

PikeBishop
03-31-2004, 03:06 AM
Ooops....what happened there?????

T_O_A_D
03-31-2004, 03:09 AM
I feel the same as you and any other level head sort does about this type of stuff. The only hope we got in this world of ever out growing the stupid stuff is for the Aleins to attack so we as a worrld would unite LOL

I'm not going to get involved in here any more other than that to say a simple forum search would of gave you enough info to of seen where this type of Off topic can go. Here is just one long winded thread about just this very thing.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=629102072&r=130105072#130105072

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Fehler
03-31-2004, 03:19 AM
Racial slur...

I love that term. Guess what, there are only three races; anatomically speaking. Caucasion, Negro, and Asian. Hate to disappoint some of you, but Japanese, German, Spanish, Mexican, Indian, Middle Eastern, and British are NOT races. They are people from different countries.

Derrogatory Slur... Better term.

But ANYTING taken out of context can be considered derrogatory. It's the joke of this generation as we come to terms with our differences... I want to be different, and want to be noticed, but IF you notice me as being different or treat me differently, I will cry foul and accuse you of being a racist, even if my particular group is of the same exact race as you.

When will people stop being so thin skinned about truly silly issues? No one remembers the childhood saying, "Sticks and stones will break my bones...?"

Hey, here is a novel concept from the teachings of the Good Book... Forgive others for what they do to you. If you truly get offended, and are not just looking for offensive things so that you can jump up and be noticed (Seems like the "In" thing to do around here at times), just follow that previous statement, and all your troubles seem to disappear.

Kid gloves are for... well, for KIDS! Grow up and join the adult world.

Oh one more thing.. IBTL.. LOL

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Lifetaker999
03-31-2004, 06:38 AM
I notice that the UK is well represented in this thread asking for the opinion of this term by any "Japanese" members. He already knows what you think, he wanted to hear from someone "other" than you, get it? Trying to dominate everyhting!

[This message was edited by Lifetaker999 on Wed March 31 2004 at 05:47 AM.]

Aztek_Eagle
03-31-2004, 06:42 AM
bunch of gringos, stop using words that are insult for other ppl http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

it isnt so hard to say the complete word japanese isnt it?

Bearcat99
03-31-2004, 10:55 AM
I dont like it either personally.... this has been discussed though several times... IMO it's better to err on the side of caution. Some may say that it is being politically correct but IMO political correctness and coutesey are 2 different things. I would much rather edit my speech than subject ONE person to being unintentionally offended by something I said....even if for whatever reasons they didn't come out and say "Hey I dont like that..." I would rather use Brits than Limeys, Germans than Krauts..... and Japanese than Japs.. mainly because I know the derogatory context associated with the terms and just prefer not to use them. I dont mind being called a Yank..... provided it isnt in one of those general put downs some people like to direct at the US, but Yank is not quite like either of the other terms. True it is not a "racial" slur directly but indirectly it is..... When I think of "Japs" I think of all the stereotypical things from the war.... big teeth,glasses,cruel, baby killing,fanaticism etc. When I think of Japanese I think of Sushi,Geisha,Honda Mt. Fuji....... Mr. Tanaka etc. See the difference in just the word? So.... I refuse to use it....


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PikeBishop
03-31-2004, 11:07 AM
Hi again,

I have another problem here....are the gringo's insulting us Limey's or is it a case of 'sensitives' picking up the standard and speaking for those who are not interested anyway......I'm a little confused.....if anyone who is Japanese and is offended by the word 'Jap' let him now speak and we will listen.
I see no problem...I just hope he doesn't own a sword!!!

regards

SLP

SeaFireLIV
03-31-2004, 11:08 AM
I know the feeling, especially if you`re around and someone says a word to upset you. Later, you find the strength which allows you to handle such words with ease.

If anyone`s read books on the Eastern Front, some Axis used WORSE words than just `Ivan`, (Sorry, a bit of history reality there, unpalatable as it may be).

For historical accuracy (say the allies talking about the Japanese and so with`Gaijin` etc), I would accept it. It is very dangerous to omit reality even in a sim based on a very stark reality. Some people`s start education into WWII starts with sims like FB which gets them interested, then it goes on from there...

Just get in your plane and use the storm within to shoot them down!

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Friendly_flyer
03-31-2004, 11:22 AM
I have a distinct feeling there arn't anyone from Japan on this forum. Too bad, really.

Fly friendly!

Petter Bøckman
Norway

HayateKid
03-31-2004, 12:02 PM
I might as well speak for japanese people if there are none around.

Shortcut names for nationalities is OK. I hate it when people give so much importance to race. Nationalities is defined by geography. Race has no basis for definition except ignorance. Japanese is not a race. Asian is an adjective denoting origin from the geographical location called the continent of Asia. And Oriental is a rug.

Der_Schnitter_t
03-31-2004, 12:35 PM
There is only one thing I can say: 'I am proud to be a Kraut!' You can call me Kraut whenever you like.

The one thing the popped my lid, though, was when I was on a one-year student-exchange in 1993-'94 to the US and one of the students at the school I attended didn't know anything better to do during class than to look for ways to piss me off. The culmination of this was that he called me a 'Naziterrorist' in his ignorance. Well, at sixteen years (which I was then) this gets you usually pretty enraged and I would have probably hit him, if it wasn't for class being in session. I did get loud though, and the substitue teacher was probably a bit taken aback by my outburst. Alas, a day later it was stopped by the standard teacher of that homeroom, Mr. Renfroe, US history class at that.

Maybe I got a little revenge back at the end of the year when i finished best of the class and I was also one of the honor roll students of that year.

It is the ignorance in some people that I hate.

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Saburo_0
03-31-2004, 12:42 PM
I'm not Japanese, but my wife is & I lived in Japan for almost 8 years & have many close Japanese friends.

Typing out Japanese can by a bit tiresome. Therefore I would like it if people would be so kind as to type "Jap." if necessary.

Afraid I do take offense sometimes when hearing or reading "Jap" just as i sometimes took offense to being called a"Gaijin" in Japan.
On an international message board there is not really any excuse for using words with so many negative associations.

I hope we may soon see more Japanese folks dropping in here as the Japanese version of FB gets out & the following Pacific game!

Snow_Wolf_
03-31-2004, 01:36 PM
I am half Japanese on my motherside of the family, but my fatherside is chinese and i don't really like it when people use terms such as Jap's, nips etc. It very rude i find that you use words like that. It like i don't go around calling Americans or Westerners with the name like White Demons etc. We might have different eye color , skin and hair but in the end we are all humans and the inside of use are just the same....

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Saburo_0
03-31-2004, 01:52 PM
Snow_Wolf is right, & these terms seem to deny each of us our individuality by lumping us in groups with certain characteristics.
People just aren't that simple. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PikeBishop
03-31-2004, 02:18 PM
Your right I get called a Brit and I'm ENGLISH!!

JimRockford
03-31-2004, 04:30 PM
I guess if some poster commonly referred to the Germans, as the Germs, and the Russians as the Russi's, and the Americans as the Ameri's, and the British as Brit's, then they probably could safely refer to the Japanese as Jap's.

Otherwise I see no good reason to use terms, even without negative intent, that are seen as offensive. It's a multi-national community and we should all be polite.

Ballbuster1
03-31-2004, 04:44 PM
It would be nice to hear from Asian people but I guess there is not a large number of members right now. It is sad in a way to see some of the responses but not unexpected. I would have more of an understanding of it's use by White males that fought in the war for the US. The use now by anyone in this forum in 2004? Well that truly has no place here, nor do any of the derrogatory terms used 60 years ago. The one thing about humans that is supposed to set us apart is the ability to use critical reasoning and to evolve. We need to consider more critical reasoning and evolve beyond what "was" common place during wartime 60 years ago. C'mon guys be better people.

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Bluedog72
04-01-2004, 12:03 AM
Another non Japanese person chiming in here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

How many of you call an Aeroplane a plane?
What about your motorcar? call it a car?
When you were a kid, did your mother push you around in a perambulator? or was it a pram?
A bit later on in life, did you get to roar around on a trike? or was it a tricycle.
Couple years after that, was it a bike or a bicycle?
How many of you pass a Tractor/Trailer Multi Axle Composite Vehicle on the way to work each day? what about a truck, semi or a lorry?
We are on a WWII discussion board, how many times have we heard of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei being reffered to as the Nazis?
What about you VVS guys? how often do you use it's correct, full terminology?
LLV pilots?
Abreviations arent offensive, if you take offence, you should be asking yourself why, not questioning the abreviators intent, as 99.999% of the time, that intent is merely to say in 3 characters what otherwise would have taken 8.(in the case of Jap/Japanese that is)
Any negative conotation is only that perceived,and attached, by the reader.
Actually, make that 100%......it would be adjectives attached that would make the differance.

Besides, if something someone who is probably thousands of miles away, whom you've never personally met(and are not ever likely to), nor know virtually anything about, types on a worldwide forumn offends you, life must be a pretty hectic experience for you eh? My God, the internet must drive you insane, all those abreviations......all those insults.It's just.... terrible.

USB, ADSL, RAM, CD, DVD, PC, ......step away from the Personal Desktop Computing Device, it's going to tear your world apart with it's utterly shameful use of non-formal, and incomplete terminology!!

World War Two ended nearly sixty years ago, the vast majority of participants are now deceased.
The use of abreviations does not perpetuate the hatred, seeing, and taking offence where there is none given does though.

In short, build a bridge mate, get over it.

edited in bit

PS, I too find the seeming lack of japanese guys playing IL2 a bit of a bummer, I play with, and fight against loads of 'em in other games, and have done for years....believe me, when this Pacific Fighters thingy arrives, and if it brings a whole bunch of japanese players to the game, the level of competition around here is going to skyrocket....those guys are some mean sticks, and good sports to boot.


Blue

Deathreaper666
04-01-2004, 01:07 AM
It is that kind of moronic myopic thinking that I have heard enough of from the likes of people like you. Get a clue blue.

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Bluedog72
04-01-2004, 02:40 AM
Oh...heard enough have we, our narrow little mind just so full up of our own opinion that no one else's is valid eh?
So your opinion obviously differs from mine, fine.
Doesnt explain why an abbreviation is an insult though does it.
Fact is, it's a short version of a word , no insult or negative conotation is meant, why take any?
Dont look for the negative, and it isnt there.

By the way, dont you think your immediate stoop to personal insults kind of shortens that high horse you're on just a bit?

[This message was edited by Bluedog72 on Thu April 01 2004 at 01:53 AM.]

jimmie_T
04-01-2004, 04:43 AM
I am. I'm currently located in the USA, tho'.

Unfortunately I've been incredibly busy with my professional life these days and it's just not possible to follow up topics going on this hot forum (and SimHQ and CougarWld). Don't have time to read every bit. So I've been ROM on this place quite a while.

Anyway, before involving IL-2, I had much biased or distorted information about Japanese fleet, soldier. I think I have been educated by knowing many stories from different countries.

When I have time, I guess I'll try to supply stuff from my perspective as a Japanese or information probably avail only in Japanese and might not be wel-known over here.. like about Zero pilots or kamikaze pilots for instance. There may be a certain bias and misunderstanding..

And for the word 'Japs' and the other... I'd say I don't *enjoy* hearing the sound but I don't get offended by that either. Might've been different if I hadn't met IL-2 and this place.

BTW, I've seen VERY few Japanese IL-2 related websites even though there's Japanese localized version of IL-2 & FB now. That's sad!

Anyway, I love AEP even if it didn't have any Japanese aircrafts. I mean, hey, actually, I don't fly 'em!

Saburo_0
04-01-2004, 10:57 PM
Blue dog,

Maybe folks around you use "Jap" as an abreviation. In the states & in japan i have usually heard this used in a derogatory way.
i suspect it may be more common as an abreviation in the UK, but ,...
Well as far as abreviations go on a message board it doesn't seem like that much trouble to put a period after it, does it ?
ex. "looking for information on Jap. pilot named Kanizawa."

context is important too I guess.
And I think a lot of japanese people don't take objection to the term because they haven't heard it used in a derogatory way, tho in fact they've probably never heard it before. And aren't real keen on confrontation (generally speaking of course.)

Jimmie_T , Yeah it is too bad IL2Fb isn't more popular among Japanese gamers, but not surprising i guess. maybe the new Pacific front sim luthier is working on will get some more attention in japan. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

gkll
04-01-2004, 11:24 PM
Well said Bearcat totally agree

I'm a canuck so what do I know? But I bet reading the word jap or kraut if you are Japanese or German is probably like getting a jab in the gut, just a little shot of adrenaline and temporary high blood pressure - a previous poster was right when he said the words canuck yank brit are not the same as jap or kraut...

And what for? I poke people all right - never said I was nice - but its because of what they think or do, its personal..
why give a little jab to a whole set of people you don't know by accident?

BSS_Goat
04-02-2004, 10:47 AM
Whats so funny about this is DEATHREAPER666 is trying to be PC (about JAP)with a nickname that would give the religous right a frickin heart attack.

by the way JAP***********SPICDUNECOON******HONKYLIMEYBRITAUSS IEKRAUTNIPCRACKERREDNECKEUROTRASHAMICANUKYANK...di d I miss anyone?

....Forgot INJUN!

Luftkillier
04-02-2004, 12:25 PM
Rhett69, a banning may be coming your way for that last outburst bud http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I think it is a valid question. Some people still use it in this forum in the very same way it was used 60 years ago. There are some racist in this forum. That does not mean that everyone that uses it is racist. It does show a level of misunderstanding about compassion and humanity. That kind of human shortcoming will always be there because the masses do not want to be educated beyond their myopic perspective.

It is a little surprising not to hear from more Japanese players. Like the guy said above hopefully this fall you will have more Asian members in the forum and a more representive perspective on this issue. I know for a fact that Asians in particular Japanese Americans "DON'T" like the term and view it as a racist term no question.

I was thinking about some of the responses and I know here in the U.S. it is not something that you could get away with saying to the faces of the guys I went to school with. You could not use it and get away with it in the workplace etc... That is a differnet perspective than most of the world "I think". I mean here in the U.S. you go to work and use "ANY" of those terms and you would be terminated on the spot.

Friendly_flyer
04-02-2004, 01:04 PM
Bluedog has a very good point: It's not the words, it's how they are used. Someone saying "Jap" are not neccesarily a racist or chauvinist, and someone saying "Japanese" might be. Reacting to a single word out of context will generally make comunication needlesly difficult.

Using a word like "Jap" degratory is an offence though, and should be reacted to as such.

Fly friendly!

Petter Bøckman
Norway

Luftkillier
04-02-2004, 01:10 PM
This thread was posted by Luthier in the PF forum.
Any native Japanese speakers out here. (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=192102423)

Notice how the posts in this thread are worded. No one seeking the help of a modern day native Japanese speaker is stupid enough to use what some call a shortcut word. Hmm, I wonder why? Maybe because they don't want to insult them? Look at the thread title "Any native "Japanese" speakers out here" Yeah you go asking for help and substitute your little shortcut in for the full word and see how much help you would get doing it. Use your heads people this is basically a no brainer.

BSS_Goat
04-02-2004, 01:15 PM
a ban? I didn't call anyone any of those names. Is the world so PC that I cant even write them? I just listed them to show that everyone has a nickname that could be considered derogatory.

UCLANUPE
04-02-2004, 01:38 PM
I am not Asian and I usually stay out of this stuff, but since my CO Bearcat chimmied in so will I. It appears that in this international forum we have a different understanding about the terms used. I doubt anyone in the US would deny the true racist connotation the shortened version of the word Japanese meant here during the war. You have to remember that Japanese Americans were singled out and placed in what was termed as "relocation camps" during the entie war 1941-1945. Saying that Brit=Jap shows a fundemental lack of understanding of how this word was and still is used and viewed here in the states. This really is just another opportunity for folks to be educated on something they may not have totally understood given their perspective where they may have grown up.

I am from Wisconsin. I grew up in Los Angeles and there were a large number of Asian people of Japanese descent in the community where I grew up. My neighbors for a few years when I was growing up were Japanese as were many of my classmates. That shortened term would just not be acceptable in any form period, it just would not be. It really is the twin of the "N" word here in the states and it is bad form to use it.

Having said that, it obviously does not carry that same racist burden it does here in the states across the international community, that is clear. What should not be forgotten here in this international public forum, is that in "some" places this is viewed by many as a racist term.

That does not mean I am trying to tell you not to use it or to use it. I am saying just "think" about it prior to using it next time. Having a broader perspective might be helpful in this instance. S!

flyingskid2
04-02-2004, 01:45 PM
Why do USers call themselves Ams while Cans don't call themselves Ams. Also SouthAms have to use the South qualifiers. "NorthAms" should be for both USers and Cans and "SouthAms" should be for Bras, Chils, Args, Cols, etc.

The Eurs howevers have no problem because everybody there is a Eur - the UKers, the Germs, Pols, Fins, Spans, Frens, etc. The problem is the Russ, since their country is so big part of it is Eur and part is As.

Anyway I think the Japs should have no problem with the shortcut name. Easier to write is all it is. Chins, Viets, Kors, Mals, Phils, Inds, Nigs, Zimbs, Rwands, Mongs, Tanzs, Sauds as well all can join in the fun of shortcut names.

One question: How will the Irs and the Irs, you know those two MidEasts countries differentiate themselves?