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robbiminator
01-17-2004, 11:15 AM
What is the point in regurgitating the BoB once again? It will contain pretty much the same planes as FB with a few new maps and perhaps the odd new plane. Yes, I know about it being designed completey from scratch; still I ask why? Would it not make more sense to develop a proper Korea-sim?

robbiminator
01-17-2004, 11:15 AM
What is the point in regurgitating the BoB once again? It will contain pretty much the same planes as FB with a few new maps and perhaps the odd new plane. Yes, I know about it being designed completey from scratch; still I ask why? Would it not make more sense to develop a proper Korea-sim?

blabla0001
01-17-2004, 11:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robbiminator:
Would it not make more sense to develop a proper Korea-sim?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you like jets it's ok, but for prop jocks it's not.

robbiminator
01-17-2004, 11:23 AM
I was more thinking about B-29, Il-10, Skyraider, F 82 Twin Mustang, B-26, etc etc

Chuck_Older
01-17-2004, 11:31 AM
I like the way Oleg and Company do a flight sim. There's been no 'proper' BoB sim as far as I can tell...yes I have Rowan's BoB and I dislike it. Il2 and FB are much better at giving me a sensation of flight.

I sorta-kinda liked MiG Alley but I think the potential for extending a BoB type of sim outweighs the freshness of '50s jet combat. I hope that BoB will allow an add-on for the BoF, and maybe even some of the more classic WWII European air combat scenarios. I think that the BoB has more going for it right now and Korea is a fine subject, but it will have to wait.

As far as Korea being jets only, Cap, you might be interested to note that La-9s, Mustangs, Corsairs, and Skyraiders played their part in Korea. A Musatng vs. La-9 scenario or a flight of La-9s jumping a flight of Skyraiders would interest me.

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Oso2323
01-17-2004, 11:46 AM
Personally I think the battle for Malta would be more fun. Spitfires, Spitfires, Spitfires! (I prefer the later marks). With extra maps for Sicily, Italy and North Africa - oh yes!

But realistically, my pc has enough problems running fb - I can't forsee being able to run BoB when it's released. In fact, I've ignored it for that very reason.

crazyivan1970
01-17-2004, 11:51 AM
Who said that BOB will be limited to 1940 planes??? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

V!
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VOSS2-
01-17-2004, 12:01 PM
What happened to WWI planes??

Chuck_Older
01-17-2004, 12:12 PM
I think that the WWI idea was put on the back burner because a new sim is due to be released soon called (if I remember right) Knights over Europe. If you do a quick web search you'll find the website. Looks really good and I can't wait to hop into a Sopwith Pup.

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Old_Canuck
01-17-2004, 12:25 PM
BoB? Malta? Korea? Pacific Theatre? It's a simple choice for me: Oleg makes it, I buys it and flies it.

Call me "brown-noser," "groupie" whatever you want, I'm not the only contented sim pilot out there.

SpinSpinSugar
01-17-2004, 12:26 PM
I was more thinking about B-29, Il-10, Skyraider, F 82 Twin Mustang, B-26, etc etc

Not wishing to cast undue aspersions, but aside from the Il-10 there, is this American hostility to anything prior to 1942 that doesn't have a P- or B- prefix? I can knock up a pretty long list of aircraft not in IL2:FB that were in the European theatre and saw combat 1939-1941 if you'd like, in and around the Battle of Britain.

The Battle of Britain has not been done to a decent standard yet, and if you want Korean era aircraft there are plenty available or in development for the rapidly improving Strike Fighters, including the Skyraider.

Agree with Oso2323 though, Malta would make a cracking expansion.

Cheers, SSS

Spinne_3.-JG51
01-17-2004, 01:07 PM
Does Knights Over Europe have the same kind of DM Oleg's advertising for BoB? I didn't like the ground textures on the sim very much, but the AC models look terrific.

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AcesHigh_AVG
01-17-2004, 01:31 PM
Because no one can make a flight sim like Oleg and company. I do agree though. It would be nice to have a korean war sim.

Copperhead310th
01-17-2004, 04:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Who said that BOB will be limited to 1940 planes??? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

V!
Regards,

VFC*Crazyivan aka VFC*HOST


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you know Ivan your probly right. but it will be limited by coutry. NO US planes. Sorta leaves us USAAF guys out in the cold.
So BoB....not for me. No thanks.

Bring on the Pacific!

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LEXX_Luthor
01-17-2004, 05:28 PM
BoB is a small, clean scenario to test Oleg's new technology that will monopolize all WW2 theatres within the New Olegarchy.

I am sick and tired of USA, probably cos I am USA and I drown in a lake of Hollywood P~51. We need Hawker Hunter and Dessault Mystere and Saab J~21 and La~15 (La what?).

Korea can be Patch or Addon Pack to Oleg's 1950s combat flight sim.

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CrazySchmidt
01-18-2004, 02:27 AM
The first time I played this game I could feel it was different, better than the rest. Then I started to think about the possibilities of where it would go next.

Yes the add-ons are fantastic and beautiful, with more flight model and visual realism than before. However I was thinking about the next real push when everyone starts moaning about the power of their PC's again and the new realism was as if it was the first time they had made the leap to IL-2 Sturmovik from CFS2.

The Battle of Britain is the most famous, courageous and desperate aerial battle I have ever read about in the history of aerial warfare. What better theatre of war could there possibly be for the masters of flight sim development than this one.

I have been waiting for this level of excellence to come to a to a Battle of Britain sim for a long time.

I hope the Maddox team keeps their obvious passion in this genre alive for some time to come.

Have been here from the beginning, will be here till the end!

RedDeth
01-18-2004, 02:34 AM
copperhead BOB will be thru entire war. usa had as much air force in england as the brits. our stangs jugs b17s and b24s were just as large a force in britain as the spits lancasters tempests and typhoons. BOB will be an american british german simulation. with some russian lawnmowers thrown in for variety. plus italian planes. it will be the next generation FB without the communist spin on it. in other words FB perfected.

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269GA-Veltro
01-18-2004, 03:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:

you know Ivan your probly right. but it will be limited by coutry. NO US planes. Sorta leaves us USAAF guys out in the cold.
So BoB....not for me. No thanks.

Bring on the Pacific!

http://imageshack.us/files/380th%20siggy.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the problem, in Europe we don't care if we'll fly for USAF, RAF, VVS or Luftwaffe ecc. ecc.. We want only a good historical sim.
In USA if you don't have your birds...off course P 51 ecc. ecc., you say: "no thank".
Not only the Americans fought in the WW2.

We are very tired of this my friend..sorry.

P.S.: in the BoB fought also the Americans....but with Spitfire not with P 51. If you want we could ask to Oleg for a P 80 in BoB.
What do you think?

269GA~Veltro
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Tempestate
01-18-2004, 03:32 AM
I am kinda hoping it will also cover Europe and parts of North Afrika/mediteranean

Maybe this will be too much as carriers are then needed to do the job properly

come to think of it you will need carriers to do the battle of the atlantic and the battle over Europe

Dunkelgrun
01-18-2004, 03:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Who said that BOB will be limited to 1940 planes??? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

V!
Regards,

VFC*Crazyivan aka VFC*HOST


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you know Ivan your probly right. but it will be limited by coutry. NO US planes. Sorta leaves us USAAF guys out in the cold.
So BoB....not for me. No thanks.

Bring on the Pacific!

http://imageshack.us/files/380th%20siggy.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For almost two years I've been flying quite happily for and against the USSR, Germany, Finland and anyone else on the Eastern Front.
These have been in aircraft and scenarios that I knew very little about. Because of IL-2/FB I have had my appetite whetted and have trawled the net, watched documentaries, bought books and talked with knowledgable people about the Eastern Front.
In other words I have learnt something.
Besides, if it matters so much that there are no US planes in BoB, form an Eagle Squadron or be Billy Fiske. Go on try it, broaden your horizons, it might be fun.
Cheers!

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[This message was edited by Dunkelgrun on Sun January 18 2004 at 02:53 AM.]

MustangWZI
01-18-2004, 03:45 AM
All we needed was a map of the UK, France, and Germany; and a few extra planes put into forgotten battles and we wouldn't need a whole new bob sim. We should have gone to the PACIFIC!!

But I'm sure oleg will produce an excellent sim and I'll get it anyway.

Still should have gone pacific.

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Extreme_One
01-18-2004, 04:00 AM
Personally I'm glad it's going to be BOB.
I'm going to be able to fly around my house.

Also I'll finally get my revenge on my neighbor for letting their dog $hit on my lawn!
OK so I'll only be 'virtually' strafing his property, but I'm sure the therapy will be good for me!

S! Simon
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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

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AirBot
01-18-2004, 04:12 AM
I don't think the current FB engine can handle the BoB. Too many planes, at too high an altitude.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to BoB even though I probably won't be around to try it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MustangWZI:
All we needed was a map of the UK, France, and Germany; and a few extra planes put into forgotten battles and we wouldn't need a whole new bob sim. We should have gone to the PACIFIC!!

But I'm sure oleg will produce an excellent sim and I'll get it anyway.

Still should have gone pacific.

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Like the moon over
The day, my genious and brawn
Are lost on these fools
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Extreme_One
01-18-2004, 04:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AirBot:
I don't think the current FB engine can handle the BoB. Too many planes, at too high an altitude.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to BoB even though I probably won't be around to try it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MustangWZI:
All we needed was a map of the UK, France, and Germany; and a few extra planes put into forgotten battles and we wouldn't need a whole new bob sim. We should have gone to the PACIFIC!!

But I'm sure oleg will produce an excellent sim and I'll get it anyway.

Still should have gone pacific.

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Like the moon over
The day, my genious and brawn
Are lost on these fools
~Haiku<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why not?
Where will you be?
OK so I'm being nosey I know. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S! Simon
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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

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malolo
01-18-2004, 06:36 AM
Bob will be a totaly new sim.
New graphic engine, FM, DM, AI, models e details levels.

Historicaly Bob was the first step to WWII air battles, so it is the logical start for a new sim that will probably(hopefully!) cover all the theatres of the war.

For all our fanatic, integralist, american friends http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif a Pacific addon is in progress for FB and will be ready well before BoB.

Ciao

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Fly fast, live slow

269GA-Veltro
01-18-2004, 06:43 AM
No problem guys, we'll give you P 51D in BoB.

Best Regards.

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AirBot
01-18-2004, 07:12 AM
Getting drafted in two years http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Hopefully air force, so I get to fly a beast and blow some sh*t up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And you are being nosey http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
Why not?
Where will you be?
OK so I'm being nosey I know. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

_S! Simon_
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Download the RAF campaign folder http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html.

Download the USAAF campaign folder http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html. _*NEW* Updated for FB 1.21_

http://extremeone.4t.com/images/ex1_soon.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Chuck_Older
01-18-2004, 08:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Veltro: <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the problem, in Europe we don't care if we'll fly for USAF, RAF, VVS or Luftwaffe ecc. ecc.. We want only a good historical sim.
In USA if you don't have your birds...off course P 51 ecc. ecc., you say: "no thank".
Not only the Americans fought in the WW2.

We are very tired of this my friend..sorry.

P.S.: in the BoB fought also the Americans....but with Spitfire not with P 51. If you want we could ask to Oleg for a P 80 in BoB.
What do you think?

269GA~Veltro
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Veltro- what I think is that it is very tiresome to hear again and again that because I'm American, I think this or that, or I will or won't do something because I'm American. You seem to be telling me that I'll cry if USAAC planes are not in a sim. Well, I don't assume anything you'll do, kindly quit assuming what I'll do, please.

I would like to fly with Red McColpin in an Eagle Squadron very much. Also, if you didn't know, there were US squadrons who flew Spits well after the BoB, and they didn't fly for England.

I am not trying to be rude or anything with this post, but I am so tired of hearing "The Americans this" and "The Americans that". It's not a helpful attitude and is actually quite prejudiced. If you don't like us, keep it to yourself please, I don't come here for politics.

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dux-1
01-18-2004, 08:18 AM
Hi Chuck,
I can understand Veltro point.. There are many IL2 fans around the world, but the only one saying "No planes from my country ? OK, I'm not interested.." are from the US.. Just go through the posts and have a look.. And this has nothing to do with politics.. It's just a fact..
S!

Extreme_One
01-18-2004, 08:55 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gifSome people just love to pick a fight don't they?

S! Simon
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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

http://extremeone.4t.com/images/ex1_soon.jpg

269GA-Veltro
01-18-2004, 08:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
I am not trying to be rude or anything with this post, but I am so tired of hearing "The Americans this" and "The Americans that". It's not a helpful attitude and is actually quite prejudiced. If you don't like us, keep it to yourself please, I don't come here for politics.

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What? Politic? Prejudiced? No my friend i'm ABSOLUTELY no against USA or American people...my family is also american. They live in NY. So "non mi rompere le palle con queste cazzate!".

Simple, i'm very tired to hear every time people who say: "No US planes, no thank". You don't have respect for the others aviations.....

There is not only P 51...there is not only P 80, there is not only USAF....ecc. ecc..
I would like of course fly for ANR in an italian map, or for REGIA AERONAUTICA in MED...but i would like fly also in PACIFIC, BoB ecc. ecc..

This is the difference my friend....we would like have sim with historical backgrounds, BoB, MED, PACIFIC and others...no problem, it doesn't matter for us; Oleg says "BoB" and you say: "No P 51...no thank"!

This is politic?

269GA~Veltro
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malolo
01-18-2004, 08:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
..... I am so tired of hearing "The Americans this" and "The Americans that". It's not a helpful attitude and is actually quite prejudiced... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi, CHuck

I cannot speak for Veltro, but I can explain U the reason of my post.
It has been written in response of the foolowing post

QUOTE

Originally posted by Copperhead310th:

you know Ivan your probly right. but it will be limited by coutry. NO US planes. Sorta leaves us USAAF guys out in the cold.
So BoB....not for me. No thanks.

Bring on the Pacific!

http://imageshack.us/files/380th%20siggy.jpg

UNQUOTE

This post was the first or the second of this topic, but now it disappired, maybe the guy who wrote it realised how fanatic it was. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Probably U never saw it, so my words and Veltro's ones were mistanderstood.
I have many freinds in the States and I visited UR country many times(both for pleasure and for business) and for me is a pleasure to cross the Atlantic every time.
So pls don't think that our words were for all the American guys, but only for the ones who think/speak/act like Copperhead310th.

Hope this could help

Ciao

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Fly fast, live slow

Chuck_Older
01-18-2004, 08:57 AM
How can it be a fact, when I'm an American bred and born, and I don't say these things, have these opinions, or think these thoughts? It's a prejudiced opinion. The Puccini side of me is embarrassed to think that someone who may live in the land of some of my Ancestors would think that, just like the clan Murray side of me bristles when somebody includes me in a group without first asking my opinion!

How can it NOT be political? Political isn't just concerning world leaders and foreign policy, you know. Politics include prejudices like this one.

Again, I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but c'mon! These assumptions about what an American thinks or says is not only stupid, it makes the orignator of the statement ignorant, which is worse than stupid, because I know that the folks around here aren't that. So we are left with ignorant.

I mean, how childish! How utterly childish and prejudiced to say things like "No problem guys, we'll give you a P-51B in BoB". How childish. I last heard things like that in grade school. I can't ever read something this person says and
consider it constructive.

I understand you're trying to help, Dux-1, but it's like trying to make me accept that I'm having a sh*t sandwich for lunch.

I am American and I want to fly in the city of Glasgow Squadron in the battle of Britain sim produced by 1C:Maddox games. I also want to fly a Spit in the eagle Squadron. I do not want to fly anything but a Hurri or Spit. I want the sim to be historically accurate. Anyone got a problem with that? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Chuck_Older
01-18-2004, 09:06 AM
Veltro and malolo-

Ok, I'm one third Italian and I get excited easy.

Maybe this is just a language barrier problem?

When we say, "No US Planes, no thanks", that's like saying, "sounds great, but it isn't quite what I'm looking for, thank you for the offer". It's not meant to be mean or condescending or disrespectful. Copperhead is looking forward to the Pacific, that's all the words of his post say. Why read more into it?

I hadn't realised that that was the bone of contention, so I guess I'm off base thinking this was political. I really can't understand how saying "no thanks" becomes an issue over this, but I do understand that I might not understand fully, given what malolo posted.

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Extreme_One
01-18-2004, 09:12 AM
Guys! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Its far too easy to misconstrue what someone is trying to say on a forum. Its not like face-to-face where we also have clues like tone of voice and facial expressions to judge the intention of a statement.
I really think that an argument is uncalled for on this occasion.

Sometimes a joke can be taken badly eh?
Maybe go and make a coffee or whatever and calm down.
Or not! I don't really care. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S! Simon
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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

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269GA-Veltro
01-18-2004, 09:19 AM
Chuck_Older simple i'm afraid of this:

http://store.ubi.com/item.jsp?item=008888681786&category=PC

Why? This is the only way to sell in USA?
(UbiSoft put 3 images of P 80....)

269GA~Veltro
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Chuck_Older
01-18-2004, 09:42 AM
Veltro, have you considered that the YP-80 is new and that someone wanted images of new jet powered planes on the web page? Or maybe somebody thought it was a cool screen shot you might like? Why must it be some sort of tool to sell in the USA? And why must that be wrong to target a large audience? If you haven't noticed, the US has a huge population. Why do you have to make these inflammatory comments constantly? You're starting to troll a bit and it's boring, you are practically yelling 'conspiracy' here!

This is pointless to discuss with you. In my last post I stated that maybe I was wrong about you and gave my reasons why there might be a miscommunication between us. I think that I was wrong to say that, I think we understand one another clearly and that you just can't have a rational discussion about it, the USA boogerman will always taint your replies.

Older out. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Dunkelgrun
01-18-2004, 10:20 AM
Hey Chuck, how can you be one-third Italian? One-third anything for that matter?
Parents: halves
Grandparents: Quarters, halves or three-quarters
Great-grandparents: Eighths, quarters, halves, seven-eighths, five-eighths, three-eighths
Etc etc ad nauseum.
Just the pedantic in me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Cheers!

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XyZspineZyX
01-18-2004, 11:14 AM
Why BoB? It was a very heroic effort. What better scenerio to model? I loved EAW's BoB campagin. Played it over and over and over. Didn't like Rowan's BoB as much. Went back to the EAW version. I'm stoked about seeing this battle done in the capable hands of Oleg and crew.

Politics. pffft! Why do so many of these threads sink to country bashing? Like a previous poster said, I got IL-2 Sturmovik because it was unique and in the process learned more about WWII and the men who fought it. I have a greater respect for all participants now. I could care less which a/c I fly. (even though I wait with baited breath for the P-38).

(and why are the boards so darn slow today?)



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269GA-Veltro
01-18-2004, 12:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Veltro, have you considered that the YP-80 is new and that someone wanted images of new jet powered planes on the web page? Or maybe somebody thought it was a cool screen shot you might like? Why must it be some sort of tool to sell in the USA? And why must that be wrong to target a large audience? If you haven't noticed, the US has a huge population. Why do you have to make these inflammatory comments constantly? You're starting to troll a bit and it's boring, you are practically yelling 'conspiracy' here!

This is pointless to discuss with you. In my last post I stated that maybe I was wrong about you and gave my reasons why there might be a miscommunication between us. I think that I was wrong to say that, I think we understand one another clearly and that you just can't have a rational discussion about it, the USA boogerman will always taint your replies.

Older out. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Cospiracy??? Troll???

NP Chuck..ok i'm wrong.

I hope you are right, and i really hope for Oleg and for all the community, that BoB could reach a great succes in USA.

P.S.: don't worry....also Europe is a big country.

269GA~Veltro
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WUAF_Badsight
01-18-2004, 12:49 PM
.
.
. . . A KOREAN WAR SIM WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE DOGFIGHTING COMBAT FLIGHT SIM

. . . . FOR PROPS


oh & a few Dogfighting jets too : )

Bearcat99
01-18-2004, 01:12 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Veltro:

This is the problem, in Europe we don't care if we'll fly for USAF, RAF, VVS or Luftwaffe ecc. ecc.. We want only a good historical sim.
In USA if you don't have your birds...off course P 51 ecc. ecc., you say: "no thank".
Not only the Americans fought in the WW2.

We are very tired of this my friend..sorry.

P.S.: in the BoB fought also the Americans....but with Spitfire not with P 51. If you want we could ask to Oleg for a P 80 in BoB.
What do you think?

Hey Veltro... dont generalize...it's not very nice and it only shows your ignorance. Many Americans...myself included flew in IL2 while it was still an "Eastern Front" sim as soon as we got rigs that could handle it..( at least that was my case) so dont lump uus all together. Copperhead..though i have a great deal of respect for him...he doesnt speak for every American virtual pilot..just as I am sure you dont speak for every European one.

IMO BoB is the perfect place to start. BoB will be in the new engine and personally I think Oleg & 1C will come full circle....starting at the BoB but ending up where it all began. IL2 raised the bar and so did FB.. I was flying IL2 just yesterday...it is STILL nice but it is different from FB. BoB will be like a thing unseen...we can only imagine.

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269GA-Veltro
01-18-2004, 01:46 PM
Bearcat i agree and i'm sorry with you and your friends....but you have to understand my position, we have seen too many post here like that....really too many.

Best Regards.

269GA~Veltro
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Freycinet
01-18-2004, 02:08 PM
Yes, but Veltro, don't say "americans", say "some americans", or even "most americans" next time...

I think we can all agree that each and every country have their percentage of stupid nationalists. But let's not generalise and call everybody nationalist.

I can understand that Veltro was a bit miffed and I can understand that somebody would be miffed with his reaction. Let's just all agree that EACH and EVERY country has some of those people, and be happy that we free-ranging flightsim-guys are (mostly) not like that.

Back on subject. Oleg has a contract to do a number of sims for Ubi. Logically he has chosen the boB as the first, because it WAS the first pure air battle of consequence in WWII.

Rest assured that he'll come around to the Pacific and the Med later on. BUT he only will, of course, if the BoB has good sales, otherwise the contract will be nixed, I guess.

So: your best bet for getting the WWII sim you want is to support the product line!

Chuck_Older
01-18-2004, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
Hey Chuck, how can you be one-third Italian? One-third anything for that matter?
Parents: halves
Grandparents: Quarters, halves or three-quarters
Great-grandparents: Eighths, quarters, halves, seven-eighths, five-eighths, three-eighths
Etc etc ad nauseum.
Just the pedantic in me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Cheers!

http://www.uploadit.org/igmusapa/tft2.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

?? 2 out of 6 is not one third??
So if out of 6 ancestors back on my Italian side, enough halves exist to make 2 (4 halves). That means I am not one third anything? Let's say zero ancestors out of 6 are Italian on the Scottish side of my family (the Scots travelled a lot and procreated even more). That would make me 1/6 Italian, wouldn't it? I can only trace 6 generations back for sure...it's not pairs of Grandparents I'm considering, it's generations of ancestors http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif because not many of them were pure blood anything except some on the Italian side. If you pair up the ancestors that way, you can have 2 out of 6, making 1/3. If you look at it that way I'm about 33% Italian, and 49% Celtic (we're almost sure it's mostly Scottish, my last name is Irish and Scottish by way of Ireland, but ther's a town, castle, and clan in Scotland bearing my last name, the castle is the seat of Clan Murray, I'm told) Which is to say, 33% plus about 16% (16 being roughly 1/2 of 33-for one ancestor in a pair, I'm rounding down). If I could find out for sure on some of the others in my Mom's side (the Italian side), or my Dad's (Irish/Scottish)I could find out how many of my Grandmother's family stayed in northern Italy, or when somebody hooped a boat from Ireland, and I could find out more about their lineage...but it's pointless because I'm not over 50% Italian, I'm not 50% Scottish, I've got Italian, Irish, English, and a touch of American Indian too, so I'm a mutt.
If you look at it from the pairs of grandparents position I could only say I'm 25% Italian and my mom's half Italian and my grandmother was full Italian. But if you figure out all the ancestors as far as you can go back and pair THEM up, if say, you can find the lineage of 6 pairs of ancestors back, and 2 of them are Italian, out of them, that makes 1/3 (me), right?

Bearcat-

thanks for saying what I was trying to!

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269GA-Veltro
01-18-2004, 03:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freycinet:
Rest assured that he'll come around to the Pacific and the Med later on. BUT he only will, of course, if the BoB has good sales, otherwise the contract will be nixed, I guess.

So: your best bet for getting the WWII sim you want is to support the product line!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very good!

You have perfectly understood "my" problem.
So please support Oleg's BoB because is the only way to have MED, EUROPE, PACIFIC, ecc. ecc..

Thank for your post and sorry again if i've generalized.

269GA~Veltro
http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/mc202tav4.jpg

roachclip
01-18-2004, 03:30 PM
Don't worry Veltro, some of us know what you are saying, that is, trying to say.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Did you know that Americans feel threatened by seeing the Canadian flag on luggage, clothing,..... They think Canadians are being boastful. As if they should talk, with the way they flont their Stars and Stripes.

Chuck_Older
01-18-2004, 03:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by roachclip:


Did you know that Americans feel threatened by seeing the Canadian flag on luggage, clothing,..... They think Canadians are being boastful. As if they should talk, with the way they flaunt their Stars and Stripes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh God, an insecure Canadian. That's aboot the worst kind http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif We are not driving the tanks up North just now, so relax. By the way, you seem to have mislaid a huge cold front. Come and get it! I have also taken the liberty of fixing your atrocious spelling in the quote, but I can't fix your post, you'll have to do that yourself, eh? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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JG7_Rall
01-18-2004, 04:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Originally posted by roachclip:

Did you know that Americans feel threatened by seeing the Canadian flag on luggage, clothing,..... They think Canadians are being boastful. As if they should talk, with the way they flaunt their Stars and Stripes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Idiot.

roachclip
01-18-2004, 04:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:


Oh God, an insecure Canadian. That's &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;aboot&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt; the worst kind http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif We are not driving the tanks up North just now, so relax. By the way, you seem to have mislaid a huge cold front. Come and get it! I have also taken the liberty of fixing your atrocious spelling in the quote, but I can't fix your post, you'll have to do that yourself, eh? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, a Yank that cannot even spell such a simple word as about correctly.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif What is 'aboot'?

That is what the study of polled Americans said, among other things. Chuck your the type of American that give other Americans a bad name.

Dunkelgrun
01-18-2004, 04:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
Hey Chuck, how can you be one-third Italian? One-third anything for that matter?
Parents: halves
Grandparents: Quarters, halves or three-quarters
Great-grandparents: Eighths, quarters, halves, seven-eighths, five-eighths, three-eighths
Etc etc ad nauseum.
Just the pedantic in me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Cheers!

http://www.uploadit.org/igmusapa/tft2.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

?? 2 out of 6 is not one third??
So if out of 6 ancestors back on my Italian side, enough halves exist to make 2 (4 halves). That means I am not one third anything? Let's say zero ancestors out of 6 are Italian on the Scottish side of my family (the Scots travelled a lot and procreated even more). That would make me 1/6 Italian, wouldn't it? I can only trace 6 generations back for sure...it's not pairs of Grandparents I'm considering, it's generations of ancestors http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif because not many of them were pure blood anything except some on the Italian side. If you pair up the ancestors that way, you can have 2 out of 6, making 1/3. If you look at it that way I'm about 33% Italian, and 49% Celtic (we're almost sure it's mostly Scottish, my last name is Irish and Scottish by way of Ireland, but ther's a town, castle, and clan in Scotland bearing my last name, the castle is the seat of Clan Murray, I'm told) Which is to say, 33% plus about 16% (16 being roughly 1/2 of 33-for one ancestor in a pair, I'm rounding down). If I could find out for sure on some of the others in my Mom's side (the Italian side), or my Dad's (Irish/Scottish)I could find out how many of my Grandmother's family stayed in northern Italy, or when somebody hooped a boat from Ireland, and I could find out more about their lineage...but it's pointless because I'm not over 50% Italian, I'm not 50% Scottish, I've got Italian, Irish, English, and a touch of American Indian too, so I'm a mutt.
If you look at it from the pairs of grandparents position I could only say I'm 25% Italian and my mom's half Italian and my grandmother was full Italian. But if you figure out all the ancestors as far as you can go back and pair THEM up, if say, you can find the lineage of 6 pairs of ancestors back, and 2 of them are Italian, out of them, that makes 1/3 (me), right?

Bearcat-

thanks for saying what I was trying to!

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http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Blimey, now I AM confused. I shall have to go away and think hard about that lot. It's late here and my logic will suffer if I try it tonight. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Btw, it makes my 1/32nd German and the rest English look positively boring.
Cheers!

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Chuck_Older
01-18-2004, 04:27 PM
Touchy, touchy! Roachclip, did a cat eat your stash, or something? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I bet it was a lousy Yank cat.
I didn't miss-spell it. I typed it the way you might be familiar with it.
"Aboot" is the way you say it up there. Say it: "a-boot" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif As in, "It's aboot time you smelly Yanks stop flaunting your silly flag". See? That makes it more Canadian. I thought you'd like it, sorry.


So do you need a hug now, or what? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Fennec_P
01-18-2004, 04:43 PM
Aboot

http://www.motionmodels.com/ships/type7c-2.jpg

I know what you mean. Ever since weed became legal in Canada, my damn yank-cat always eats it. Good thing its only $5 a kilo.

LEXX_Luthor
01-18-2004, 05:03 PM
Veltro:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>No problem guys, we'll give you P 51D in BoB.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
haha yes Veltro I know what you are talking about. I would know. I am USA simmer/simmerette

You should talk to Tuckie. You know a Spanish Civil WAR sim would be truly international, including USA volunteer pilots and planes (P-26), and with a Japanese in a Mongolian addon pack, would cover every nationality in the World for the given time period (1930s). A first for a flight sim.

But no, we get Lend Leace P-80 and Buck Rogers over the Eastern Front. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (that's a joke, and the LuftWhiners are no better. Try talking to a LuftWhiner about Hs~123 Biplane ground attack. All they Whine about is Ta152. BORING.

If Xanty and the Gladiator modder/modderette make it in the addon, the Biplane Servers will Rule!

To be brutally honest, the MC202 itself is "OK" but we really need CR32!!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[This message was edited by LEXX_Luthor on Sun January 18 2004 at 04:11 PM.]

LEXX_Luthor
01-18-2004, 05:29 PM
Here is the solution to the Nationality Whining...

---&gt; http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/SpainAir.htm

Every Earth Nation is represented, including but may not be limited to...

Germany
Soviet Union
USA
Italy
Brit
French
Japan in a Mongolian/China addon pack.

There, problem solved. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The Hawker Fury I would be particularly interested in.

Of course any Spanish Civil WAR sim will need a flyable P-51D, and it must be on the box cover.

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LEXX_Luthor
01-18-2004, 05:32 PM
I guess I was wrong about P-26. Oh well, we will have P51.

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JR_Greenhorn
01-18-2004, 08:54 PM
I found this thread quite entertaining, thus I felt compelled to comment. I am astounded that two (or more) people can spar with differing opinions on these forums yet maintain a semblance of decorum. Bravo!

Chuck_Older: Way to stick to the high road! My respect for you has increased.
I can surely condone a little good-natured fun-poking at our Canadian friends' expense. The best is when ones well-versed in Minnesooota Brouge go Up Nort' acrost da border! Communication is nigh impossible what with both parties laughing at each others' accents! Uff-da! No hard feelings, eh!


Bearcat99: There is just no end to your wisdom, is there?


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
....Saab J~21...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
...and I thought I was the only one that wanted to be pushed around by a Swedish aircraft.

roachclip
01-18-2004, 09:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Touchy, touchy! Roachclip, did a cat eat your stash, or something? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I bet it was a lousy Yank cat.
I didn't miss-spell it. I typed it the way you might be familiar with it.
"Aboot" is the way you say it up there. Say it: "a-boot" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif As in, "It's aboot time you smelly Yanks stop flaunting your silly flag". See? That makes it more Canadian. I thought you'd like it, sorry.


So do you need a hug now, or what? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



In all my travels through the Great White North, I never heard 'about' pronounced 'aboot'.

For sure someone needs a hug and it ain't me.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Actually the mice did. The cat became someones supper, but not mine, because it did a lousy job.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tell me my dear chap, who is this Miss Spell?

JR_Greenhorn
01-18-2004, 09:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by roachclip:
In all my travels through the Great White North, I never heard 'about' pronounced 'aboot'.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not even in Winnipeg?

Have you ever seen the movie "Strange Brew?" Just curious.

CRSutton
01-19-2004, 01:51 PM
With 35 years of board gaming behind me and about 15 years of computer gaming, I have bought enough crap. I know one thing for sure. No matter what the subject, if Oleg makes it, it will be pretty darn good. I don't care what it is. I'm gonna buy it.

robbiminator
01-20-2004, 03:39 AM
Chinkeys! Ask a simple question... I was a little concerned that a BoB sim would be rather limited-after all, the battle only lasted a few weeks in the summer of 1940. But, if the sim is going to be kind of a base for more and bigger things to come, then I'm all for it!!!

WOLF-Mondo
01-20-2004, 03:43 AM
I'd just like to see a 100% complete WW2 flight sim, featuring maps from all theatres, planes from all sides and theatres. I like the idea of BoB but I'd prefer to see a sim that encompasses it all, not concentrating on one side or the other.

www.wolfgaming.net (http://www.wolfgaming.net)
Where the gameplay is teamplay

panther3485
01-21-2004, 06:54 AM
BoB would be No.1 priority for me, especially if it includes Battle of France.

N. Africa/Med would come a close second. But I'll snap up whatever is offered because Oleg & co. have produced the best stuff I've seen yet!

(Thankfully, I'll have my new rig well before then - this old banger of a P3 is really starting to show its age!)

Stay positive, guys!

Best regards to all,
panther3485