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pdog1
05-27-2004, 11:50 AM
http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/me109.jpg

Me109 not Bf109.
ahaha ok.
bye.

pdog1
05-27-2004, 11:50 AM
http://www.x-plane.org/users/pdog109/me109.jpg

Me109 not Bf109.
ahaha ok.
bye.

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05-27-2004, 12:05 PM
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Zen--
05-27-2004, 12:25 PM
http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/articles/bf-me/bf-me.htm

Interesting little article that may shed some light on the subject.

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LEXX_Luthor
05-27-2004, 01:07 PM
The only correct name is now "Fb109"

especially now that Oleg has brutally Pacified MS 4SFC

gombal40
05-27-2004, 01:41 PM
thanks Zen. Good find!!!

VW-IceFire
05-27-2004, 02:55 PM
Haha so they are both right...I had no idea http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I just assumed that the Me 109 was used by the allies and the Bf designation was used by German factories. It turns out to be more complicated http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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pdog1
05-27-2004, 02:56 PM
Arg that website sux, its wrong, its Me109, its not both of them.
Germans mostly called it Me109.
Allies called it Me109.
Axis countries who used the Me109, called it Me109!
Bf109 = wrong!
haha

Korolov
05-27-2004, 02:59 PM
Germans used both Me-109 and Bf-109, Pdog. You is wrong. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Fennec_P
05-27-2004, 03:35 PM
Just because the terms were used interchangably doesn't mean they are both correct. It just shows that even Luftwaffe officials couldn't get it right.

Boandlgramer
05-27-2004, 03:38 PM
I have a copy of an german "Abschussbericht".
date : august 18 1943
under flown aircraft : Bf 110 G4

oleg got it right .
the messerschmitt were called BF´s .

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Gibbage1
05-27-2004, 03:47 PM
I call them POS-109's.

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pdog1
05-27-2004, 04:09 PM
Have you ever heard of Bf-163
Or Bf-262
Or Bf-410
Or Bf-323?
No.
All these were Me.
For Messerschmitt.
For Willy Messerschmitt who designed the planes.
Bf-110 is wrong too, it Me-110

LEXX_Luthor
05-27-2004, 04:44 PM
So Bf designed the Goodrich
mmm

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Albtraum23
05-27-2004, 04:58 PM
Hi all !

"Messerschmitt BF109´s" was build in "Bayerische Flugzeugwerke".
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NegativeGee
05-27-2004, 05:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pdog1:
Have you ever heard of Bf-163
Or Bf-262
Or Bf-410
Or Bf-323?
No.
All these were Me.
For Messerschmitt.
For Willy Messerschmitt who designed the planes.
Bf-110 is wrong too, it Me-110<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bf-110 and Bf-109 are not wrong. Ner-ner-na-ner-ner! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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Hoarmurath
05-27-2004, 05:30 PM
RLM called them Bf, as was said for Bayerische Fluzeugwerke, the original company where Willy Messerschmitt was only chief engineer... Later Willy Messerschmitt created its own company, and later planes designed by him were then called Me.

For various reasons, the RLM decided to keep the Bf for 109 and 110 (in one of my readings it was because they were in conflict with W.Messerschmitt and wanted to piss him off)...

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pdog1
05-27-2004, 08:00 PM
http://www.me109.net/

Bf is just a stupid, even if Willy worked for those ungrateful crapers, he still designed the planes not his company! doh...

Snuffy_Hadden
05-27-2004, 08:26 PM
Excuse me for being over simplified here ... but I call em ... 109s. 190s. and whatever I happen to encounter. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Hoarmurath
05-27-2004, 08:45 PM
OK Pdog... so, let speak about the Ta 190 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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SJG1_Therr
05-28-2004, 03:31 AM
all of you are WRONG !!!!!

no bf, no me just

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KevinTheFruitBat
05-28-2004, 04:56 AM
I think it's more a generation thing. With young people these days it's always "me... me... me."

bazzaah2
05-28-2004, 05:44 AM
all your model designations are belong to us.

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ImpStarDuece
05-28-2004, 08:48 AM
All of my reference books on WW2 fighters (all 13 of them, i just checked) refer to the 109 as the Messerschmitt Bf 109. Weight of opinion can be crushingly heavy, can't it?

Messerschmitt was appointed the managing director, chairman and chief designer of Bayerische Flugzeugwerke in mid 1938. After this the company name changed to Messerschmitt AG and from July 1938 new designs undertaken had Me insteads of Bf designations. Taken from *Axis Aircraft of World War II* D. Mondy, Temple Press 1984.

The Ta on the Focke-Wulfe Ta 152 designation was included to honour its chief designer Kurt Tank for his contribution to the German War effert (being responsible for the FWA/D 190, FW 189, FW 200 and FW 56 Stosser)

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TissuePaper78
05-28-2004, 10:50 AM
I think the Bf are the first 2 letters are for the factory it was made in. Had the Same Problem with the Go-229 (it should be called the Ho-229) because it was made in the Gotha factory it is called the Go insted of the Ho.

pdog1
05-28-2004, 11:08 AM
Ack, GO-229 is also wrong!
It was designed by Horten brothers!
Ho-229!
Its Horten-229, not Gotha-229.
Duhg!
hehe

Harh
05-28-2004, 11:15 AM
Do you have anything better to do than that... No, I don't have anything against it, but... Hmm... It is no more Oleg Maddox ready room I see. Nevermind.

Zeroneg1
05-28-2004, 11:44 AM
Actually an old Bill Gunston book on Fighters it calls the 109s series as 'Bf 109, Messerschmitt' on the title bar and refers to the planes as either 109's or 'Bf 109's' with the lower case 'f'. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TugZooey
05-28-2004, 12:38 PM
If this is the biggest historical Bug in FB, then I think we're lucky.

But I do like pdog1-109 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

actionhank1786
05-28-2004, 01:18 PM
Im sure other designers have made planes for boeing and Lockheed, but those individual designers dont get their name slapped on, they simply get the joy of seeing the next plane roll off the assembly line. And the Bf, and Me, seem interchangable, and really seems to be more of a personal preferance thing, Oleg prefers, Bf, get over it
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biggs222
05-28-2004, 02:13 PM
oh yeah well all the mkIXs should all be labled "LF" barring the HF variant.

LF means ENINGE TYPE not wing type.

IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND!!!????

Obi_Kwiet
05-28-2004, 05:05 PM
Wow... This could be the most incredibly stupid argument I have ever seen. Wow...

pdog1
05-28-2004, 05:14 PM
It is isn't it?

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Willey
05-29-2004, 12:51 PM
Bf-xxx is correct for all Messerschmitts designed before Jul 11th 1938. Those are 109s, 110s and 108s. All planes designed from then on are called Me-xxx, strictly. So there's no Bf-163. But Me-xxx could be used for the old planes. So for the 108s, 109s and 110s both Me and Bf is correct; for 163, 210, 410 262 and others just Me.

Philipscdrw
05-29-2004, 01:17 PM
The aircraft designed by Wily Messerschmidt while he was working for Bayeriche Flugzugwerke were designated BF. The aircraft designed by Wily Messerschmidtt after he had formed Messerschmidt AG were designated ME. It refers to the company that built the aircraft.

Aircraft built by Bayeritch Flugzugwork are designated BF. Aircraft built by Messerschitt AG are designated ME. Simple.

Spelling mistakes left in because I'm not prepared to spend minutes of my life trying to find and remember the correct spelling.

And the biggest bug in FB is all the whining users who complain on this forum.

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