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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 12:48 PM
Like, what exactly is it? I have heard people talk about it but thought it was only available in the US. Can you get it in the UK?

XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 12:48 PM
Like, what exactly is it? I have heard people talk about it but thought it was only available in the US. Can you get it in the UK?

Tully__
10-18-2003, 01:37 PM
You can get it anywhere in the world, but may need to mail order from the US in some countries.

As for what it is:
It uses an infra-red sender/sensor mounted on (or near) your monitor and a reflective dot on your head/hat/headset to sense head movement, then takes that as input to control your views. Using it, you can move your head left to look left, head right to look right, etc. The movement has adjustable scaling so a 1-3 inch (50-75mm) head movement can result in looking back over your shoulder in the game.

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 01:42 PM
Does it not hurt your neck? You must have to keep your head very still if you want to look forward.

XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 02:04 PM
Details are at:

www.naturalpoint.com (http://www.naturalpoint.com)

It's a very, very useful accessory for flights sims. I bought mine via mail order in the UK.

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 03:02 PM
Papa_Lazurus wrote:
- Does it not hurt your neck? You must have to keep
- your head very still if you want to look forward.
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No, your neck won't care. There is an infinitely adjustable "dead zone" in the center that allows you to twitch and wiggle as much as you feel is comfortable. TrackIR is the best thing since ... heck, since IL-2!


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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 03:51 PM
I have just had a look at Natural Points web site and they sell it for $129, which is round about the 100 mark? They have a couple of UK resellers (which they are calling it SmartNav) and selling it for 199!!!

Now shipping from the US surely won't cost 100, so if I can send them a international money order (as I do not have a credit card) I will save 's.

Anyone get one from Natural Point or a reseller? How much was it?

XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 05:39 PM
http://www.rcsimulations.com/trackir.htm

http://www.edimensional.co.uk/headtrack.html



UK reseller, at a reasonable price.

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 05:39 PM
We are planning a major push of the TrackIR2 beginning November 1st.

Any order that is placed for a TrackIR through our website will be held till November 1st so that you will receive the new TrackIR2 units.

Orders will be placed on a first come first served basis, so the earlier you get your order in, the sooner you will get it.

www.naturalpoint.com (http://www.naturalpoint.com)

XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 05:44 PM
RocknRoll wrote:
- We are planning a major push of the TrackIR2
- beginning November 1st.
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- Any order that is placed for a TrackIR through our
- website will be held till November 1st so that you
- will receive the new TrackIR2 units.
-
- Orders will be placed on a first come first served
- basis, so the earlier you get your order in, the
- sooner you will get it.
-
- www.naturalpoint.com (http://www.naturalpoint.com)
-

You mean.. TrackIR2 price is same as TrackIR original? Wow, you damn lucky guys who order now. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-very-happy.gif

And RocknRoll, are you real naturalpoint guy? /i/smilies/16x16_robot-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 06:13 PM
Im not working in naturalpoint if that you mean , just oder the damm thing /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
10-18-2003, 06:28 PM
RocknRoll wrote:
- Im not working in naturalpoint if that you mean ,
- just oder the damm thing
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- thats real me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Sorry, my fault, you look damn strong with that pickaxe. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-very-happy.gif

I think I'm gonna sell my original TrackIR ASAP before everybody become aware of this new one. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 06:01 AM
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See this VERY informative thread.

XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 06:23 AM
On all the flight-sim related forums that I normally browse I see the question about TrackIR pop up quite often. Most people ask if the feel realistic, and how you are able to see the screen when you turn your head. I'm a die-hard TrackIR fan these days, and I feel that we, fans of the TrackIR, don't do it justice by just saying "it rocks" and "buy one". Therefore I decided to write something a bit longer on the subject.

First of all, for the people that haven't seen or heard about it before, let me explain what the TrackIR is and what it does.

The device consists of two parts: The IR camera and a reflecive dot. The IR camera is the device you usually see placed on top of the monitor. It contains an IR emitter and a small camera that sees IR light. The camera then tracks the movement of the IR source and converts it into numbers that can be used by software to control stuff, for example the mouse pointer on the screen.

Note that the TrackIR does not track the head movement. It tracks the reflected IR source. You can place the reflecive dot on anything and use it for control. It's just that for flight sims the most natural place to put it is somewhere on your head.

So, what's it like to fly your favourite flight sim using the TrackIR? The answer is that it depends on wether the sim had native support for trackir or wether you have to use the mouse emulation. Allow me to explain the difference.

If your sim does not have native support but it has mouselook, you can use the TrackIR in mouse emulation mode to move the "mouse" around when till then pan around the cockpit.

The TrackIR always tracks the IR source, this means that it always know exactly where your head is. If I turn my head a bit and then turn it back to the "ahead" position, the driver knows that my head has returned to this position. However, a mouse works differently. A mouse it controlled using realtive movement, not absolute. I.e. there is no "centre" position for a mouse. If you place your mouse in the middle of your mouse pad the pointer remains where it was on the screen. The same is true when using TrackIR in mouse emulation mode. This means that when looking to the right and then forward again, you probably will not be looking excactly forward. It's the same thing with the mouse. Try it, try to move the mouse from the centre to the left edge of the mouse pad and then back again. The mouse pointer will most likely not be in the exact same spot as where it started out. In a flight sim, especially during combat, this can be very annoying. Annoying to the point where I'd rather not use the TrackIR at all.

If the sim supports native mode all this changes. In this case, the sim reads the position of the IR source directly from the driver and uses this information to set the direction which the virtual pilot will be looking. The difference is night and day. All of a sudden I can move my head in any direction I want and in a fraction of a second return to looking forward without having to either press a button to centre the view or trying to find out where the front of the plane went. This is certainly the way TrackIR should be used in flight sims. The reason why I don't fly Flanker 2.5 anymore is that it doesn't have native TrackIR support. I just can't fly without it anymore.

And what about looking at the screen while moving your head? Try it right now. Look at the screen, and move your head to the left and right while still looking at the screen. Not very hard is it? I can move by head approximately 20 degrees to either side before my eyes start to strain. This is certainly enough to give me a very precise view control without losing track of the screen. Also note that the amount of head movement required is configurable in the driver.

Most regulars on flight sim forums have at one time or the other read (or perhaps been actively involved) a thread about how realistic the padlock view really is. I don't intend to argue about that here, but suffice it to say that most people seem to agree that it is a more or less useful compromise for the limitations a small monitor imposes on you compared to a real pilot being able to look around in the cockpit. The problem has always been: either I suffer from having to use the hatswitch to try to keep track of the enemy. A task that is next to impossible for most of us. The alterantive is to use padlock, which just doesn't feel right since I'm not in control of my own view anymore.

TrackIR gives us a third choice. And it's an amazing choice. It combines the realism of no padlock with the simplicity of padlock. You turn your head to the right, and you look to the right. It just takes a few minutes to get used to the fact that you turn your hedd much less than in real life. Trust all of us TrackIR users about this: it really becomes second nature.

In fact, it becomes so natural that if I'm flying and I look around and see an enemy plane I know exactly where it is. Even if I have cockpit reflections turned off. I know this without any information other than me knowing in what direction my head is pointed. All arguments about cockpit refletions, and other visibility hints suddenly don't apply to you anymore. You don't need them, because you are no longer constrained to fly with a small window on the world controlled by a clumsy hat switch. You are a virtual pilot.



Again, we can thank the TrackIR for changing all this. All of a sudden we can take the role of a real pilot using the helpet mounted sight to target an enemy. And we can do it the same way as the real pilot can. The feeling you get when you lock on and nail that Mirage with your helmet mounted sight when you are in the middle of a furball fight is something incredible. If you haven't tried the TrackIR you can't imagine it, but trust me when I and all other happy TrackIR users say this: You will not be disapointed. This truely is a device that has changed flight simming.

Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Naturalpoint or any of their resellers other than being a happy customer.



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Message Edited on 10/18/0310:27PM by tenmmike