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jimmyboy99
04-06-2004, 03:15 PM
OK I have been wondering for a long time how to get this dumb airplane out of a flat spin it just wont get out. stalls are easier to get out of, and i was wondering if the stall and spin behavior in the game is acurate to the real thing ok well please answer, i am in dire need of it. ok thnx

jimmyboy99
04-06-2004, 03:15 PM
OK I have been wondering for a long time how to get this dumb airplane out of a flat spin it just wont get out. stalls are easier to get out of, and i was wondering if the stall and spin behavior in the game is acurate to the real thing ok well please answer, i am in dire need of it. ok thnx

H.Keller
04-06-2004, 03:25 PM
Ever since the release of AEP I have noticed a huge increase in flat spins. (I mostly fly the FW-190D-9 or the Me-163) I have had a lot of problems recovering from these spins, seems that rudder correction does nothing now.

Sorry I can't help, but at least you're not alone.

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jimmyboy99
04-06-2004, 03:27 PM
yes thats wat i thought u do to recovery from a sflat spin ( opposite rudder) but i have noticesed it as no to little effect.

Maj_Death
04-06-2004, 03:48 PM
Put aileron into direction of spin, rudder in opposite direction and maybe down elevator. Lowering gear and flaps can also help if spin persists. This is standard technique for all aircraft.

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jimmyboy99
04-06-2004, 04:07 PM
i know for the p38L if u go into a stall extened ur airbrake and it will bring ur nose up but remember to use full throttle with it and it is isthen fairly easy to recover in the p38L.

H.Keller
04-06-2004, 04:43 PM
Lowering gear? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Never thought of that, time to try that out! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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H.Keller
04-06-2004, 04:51 PM
WOW, that worked well. It took about 500m to work but that's amazing. Thanks

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jimmyboy99
04-08-2004, 11:49 AM
i was wondering though, stalls accure from now air under a wing(lift) right. so why would an airplane stall at low altitudes (1000m-100m) if it is going over 350kph-400kph. i need an answer this happens most with all models of the 190 the p38 series, and the p51. o ya and the spit does it at any altitude. ok please answer some one.

NorrisMcWhirter
04-08-2004, 11:56 AM
Hi,

Recovery from spin in an A5 doesn't normally work for me so I found out that I cut the throttle, down elevator, opposite rudder and then throttled up. Repeated a few times and got out only as the engine revs came up.

Torque effect helping out?

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jimmyboy99
04-08-2004, 12:09 PM
well i will admit. iam a noob at this game infact ive had it for maybe a week. i fly with the torque effect on but i have no clue to wat it is, i also dont know wat the flutter effect is thay gyro thing i think i know wat that is but not possitive so some please clear me up with all this. thnx

Jaws2002
04-08-2004, 12:26 PM
Ok, now try it in a Ta-152H. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

jimmyboy99
04-08-2004, 12:37 PM
try wat

mortoma
04-08-2004, 01:35 PM
The most effective way of dealing with spins is to learn to avoid them in the first place. That's what I did................

LilHorse
04-08-2004, 02:03 PM
The stall/ spin characteristics are not entirely realistic in this sim. It seems that in this sim stalls always result in spins. Which is not the case in RL. If fact more often you must work to induce a spin, that is purposely put yourself into one. Fortunately the normal nose-down type spin is recoverable in the standard way: chop throttle, opposite rudder, stick forward. Once stopped let go/ neutralize controls and allow speed to build back up and add throttle and controls. Flat spins are, of course, much harder but the methods described above, especially dropping gear, work well. How accurate this is to RL.....?

As for stalling at 375 to 400kph, you have to translate (or at least I do) into mph. That's only 236 to 257mph. Pull a hard turn in one of these big heavy birds and you can stall easily (bleed E fast). Remember these planes weren't like Extra 300s. They were more like flying tanks. Speed is always your friend. If, however, you find yourself stalling in a sharp turn even at higher speeds and you flip inverted, then what you are probably experiancing is an accelerated stall. This happens as a result of departure of airflow from the wing surfaces due to high AoA. It was a particular problem on laminar flow wing designs a la the P-51.

Smooth, deliberate inputs are the order of the day. Unless, of course , you are in a truly desperate situation.

Fehler
04-08-2004, 03:09 PM
The whole trick to recovery in AEP is to slow the spin to let the control bite.

I drop full flaps and gear, bring engine to 0% throttle and 0% pitch. The nose will come down.

Once it comes down, pull up your gear, and slowly apply throttle and pitch until you start to "Feel" the plane again.

It usually takes less than 1000 meters unless yo were at a 90% AoA when you started to spin.

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73GIAP_Milan
04-09-2004, 04:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The most effective way of dealing with spins is to learn to avoid them in the first place. That's what I did................<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

indeed...and if you're good you can sometimes using a flatspin to get an advantage, it works for me sometimes..

Go out on a server, and if someone is on your 6, and you have the alt. smack yourself in a spin, like you're a real rookie pilot..
the guy on your 6 will probably (hopefully) disengage, knowing that you are spiralling to death...then recover and get some revenge on his surprised soul...

This even works multiple times vs the same guys who still might hold you for a lucky n00b http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just know the limits of your plane...

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MornJW
04-09-2004, 05:03 AM
WW2 a/c are more likely to get into a spin than a Cessna, trainer or something though, they are designed with stablity before performance. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif The P-40 for example, goes into spins on stall in RL!, and the P-51 yaws to the left in a stall in RL, but the game goes into a spin too easily for most aircraft.
I don't know about the Fw190, but everything said it was snappy and stall and spin eager, and it's quite likely it went into spins easily on stall.