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ianboys
04-15-2004, 01:19 PM
Hi guys,

Does anyone know for sure how the Fw-190F2 differed from the Fw-190A5/U3 if at all?

Thanks,

Ian

ianboys
04-15-2004, 01:19 PM
Hi guys,

Does anyone know for sure how the Fw-190F2 differed from the Fw-190A5/U3 if at all?

Thanks,

Ian

jurinko
04-15-2004, 01:36 PM
ahoj Ian

ja nie som expert on Fw 190, but according to my available literature, A-5/U-3 was a modification of A-5 having bomb racks, and F-2 was based on A-5 and had strenghten undercarriage and increased armor protection. MG FF were removed. Tomorrow, I will ask mate Zamex who writes the monography about Fw 190 series in Slovak language.

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faustnik
04-15-2004, 01:38 PM
I think it was identical to the A4/U3.

No, that's wrong.

The F1 was a continuation of the A4/U3.
The F2 was a continuation of the A5/U3.

Right???

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Hunde_3.JG51
04-15-2004, 07:42 PM
As jurinko said. Also, many included an option for operations in Africa and the Med. by utilizing a "tropical" filter on an externally mounted air intake fitted on the engine cowling sides. Essentially the bulges (one on each side) on the sides of the lower front engine housing were opened up and with a rounded intake, similar in appearance to the single intake on the Dora (but different). Many had this option fitted, but some did not. Otherwise the F-2 and A-5/U3 were externally identical (except for ETC-501 bomb-rack and elimination of MG-FF cannons).

About 271 examples were built with most going to Eastern front and some to the Med.

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Boandlgramer
04-15-2004, 11:37 PM
Ian, welcome back,
nice to hear from you. how are you ?
whats about your store ?
all fine with your family ?

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butch2k
04-15-2004, 11:47 PM
Welcome back Ian http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
AFAIK there should be few differences if any indeed the A-5/U3 were produced from already built A-5 airframe, it's an Umbau process, a modification. The F-2 was the same aircraft but serialy produced, so there might have some rationalization in the building process that made the two slightly different, but all in all there should not be any big differences.
THe same kind of things happened in the 109 world as well with the G-6/U3 being the modified G-6 airframes for recce purposes which were serialized under G-8 designation.

BBB_Hyperion
04-16-2004, 12:49 AM
Th Fw190F2 was based on the FW190A5/U3 factory conversion being externally identical to the A5 model with its six-inch extension of the forward fuselage. Similar to the F1 the defensive armament was reduced to the fuselage mounted MG17 maschine guns and the wing root MG 151 connons. Bomb load capacity was the same, utilizing the fuselage etc 501 rack. Many FW 190 F2 were produced with side cowling air intakes with tropical filters. Production ceased after 270 F2s had been delivered, most of them to the Eastern Front. Although a number were used in the Mediterranean theater.

Not sure about the extra armor if it was fitted on this models.
lower engine 6 mm
lower fuselage 5 mm
aft fuselage fuel cells 8 mm

Standard Armor
cowling ring 5,5 and 6,5 mm
headrest 12-14 mm
8 mm seat back
5 mm aft plating

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Boandlgramer
04-16-2004, 05:47 AM
ian, i did an search in my book .
Focke Wulf 190/Ta 152
acccording that book the A5 /U3 was just renamed to F2

2 x MG17 and 2 Fl√ľgelwurzelbewaffnung 2 x MG 151
ETC 1 x 501 , 4 x 50

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FW190fan
04-16-2004, 06:36 AM
It seems the only real difference (as has already been pointed out) is that the A-5/U3 was a field conversion set with the MG FF cannons removed and an ETC 501 bomb rack added.

The 190F-2 was serially produced from the factory already as a ground support aircraft.

As far as external differences, I would wonder if the A-5/U3 would have the openings in the wings for the MG FF cannons while the 190F-2 would not be set up for them at all (no openings in the wings, or wing setup for guns etc)

According to Baugher's site, the aircraft with the tropical filters were designated FW190-A5/U3/TP and FW190F-2/TP.

All of this of course reflects the growing demands being put on the FW190 as a ground attack/ground support aircraft, as well as the trend to replace the Ju-87 with the FW190.

An interesting document can be found here on Bookie's FW190 page:

http://www.geocities.com/andos190/AWM423-4-103PART83.htm

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ianboys
04-16-2004, 03:41 PM
Thanks a lot guys ... say what you like about the FB community, it does have some very nice, helpful and knowledgeable people.

Hans, we are well thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The store is a lot of work, 7 days a week, but we are coping (just!). I love it here in the village and if I didn't have to get up early it would be perfect. Still, I can't imagine doing this when I'm 50 but who knows ... when the sun shines and there's a nice breeze and I'm out in the early morning it's just perfect.