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koniygn
03-28-2004, 12:57 AM

koniygn
03-28-2004, 12:57 AM

Dmitri9mm
03-28-2004, 04:55 AM
Several japaneese planesāĀ“? There's two! Five if you count the sub-variants - which I don't.
We need the Tony, the Jack, the George and the Oscar at LEAST before flying pacific is going to be fun, and still we have NO jap bombers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif
No I think we have to wait till November where the pacific addon is planned to come out, and I wouldn't count on a flyable B-29 in that package either.

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VW-IceFire
03-28-2004, 08:20 AM
We can't even get a prolific B-17 made because the work involved in the modeling would be so intense. I'd say it be even harder to get a B-29 flyable.

AI will do for me.

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crazyivan1970
03-28-2004, 08:27 AM
Moving to general discussion, please take it from there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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M0NS
03-28-2004, 08:53 AM
A B-29 is just too hard to make - just take a look at Olegs thread on the B25 I think is...

But if it's ever done it MUST have the Fat Man loadout!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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Snow_Wolf_
03-28-2004, 09:00 AM
The B-29 is nice but it take too much work on just the avonics and cockpit modeling. Not to say we would need a good size map if we want to use this bird.

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Steaky_361st
03-28-2004, 10:30 AM
Ill still say that before we go on to completely new planes from other theatres of the war the devs should work to make planes like the Pe2/3/8, Ju88, and Tu2 Flyable. Id take a B29 if it was made available though...Im just sayin...

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PraetorHonoris
03-28-2004, 10:35 AM
There are missing more important planes like the standart light Luftwaffebomber Ju88 or the Mosquito! Make them flyable!


Note from crazyivan: Please think twice before posting...this is last time i`m editing, next time will simply delete.

[This message was edited by crazyivan1970 on Sun March 28 2004 at 09:46 AM.]

Gwihair
03-28-2004, 01:13 PM
Maps are simply too small to have use of such a plane... The same goes for the B17 by the way.

PraetorHonoris
03-28-2004, 01:48 PM
@ Crazy Ivan:

First of all, it is good to have a moderator, who makes his job.

But next time, better delete posts, you can't accept.
Now it looks like, as I'd contribute to threads dealing with such disgusting themes.
It is not me, who wants A-Bombs!

"But if it's ever done it MUST have the Fat Man loadout!!!" (-mons)

03-28-2004, 02:22 PM
OH yea the A-Bomb! Awesome, not like this hasnt been mentioned before. I admit the idea is entertaining but one of those nukes would probably blowup and entire IL2 map. Hah, it would be good to get a stalemate on a map, especially for those luft46 campains.
Now they just need to model those miliseconds when an entire city falls into dust, just before being blown away into the dust. MAYBE if maddox and crew bring this sweet weapon in they can even model the people nearby still burning and children on the streets like toasty critters - BUT thats just a dream too good to be true http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Sure if she wasn't a nazi and if she was still alive - I'd Hump Her.
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jenikovtaw
03-28-2004, 02:39 PM
GIVE US PE2 first, OR AT LEAST B25.

All these "other" , undeserving planes should be left for last!

LEXX_Luthor
03-28-2004, 03:02 PM
Thread starter:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>can we have more fun in a mass bombing B-29 and shoot the Japanese planes<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> mmmm http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

PraetorHonoris
03-28-2004, 03:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EStare:
OH yea the A-Bomb! Awesome, not like this hasnt been mentioned before. I admit the idea is entertaining but one of those nukes would probably blowup and entire IL2 map. Hah, it would be good to get a stalemate on a map, especially for those luft46 campains.
Now they just need to model those miliseconds when an entire city falls into dust, just before being blown away into the dust. MAYBE if maddox and crew bring this sweet weapon in they can even model the people nearby still burning and children on the streets like toasty critters - BUT thats just a dream too good to be true http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Sure if she wasn't a nazi and if she was still alive - I'd Hump Her.
http://hazardous.50free.net/Hannah.JPG <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Crazy Ivan, and you edit MY post
well probably my English is not enough to understand that.
Was it written with irony, EStare?

D-XXI
03-28-2004, 03:24 PM
No, not a B-29. This is a russian orientated sim so I want the Tu-4.

CAP401
03-28-2004, 04:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EStare:
OH yea the A-Bomb! Awesome, not like this hasnt been mentioned before. I admit the idea is entertaining but one of those nukes would probably blowup and entire IL2 map. Hah, it would be good to get a stalemate on a map, especially for those luft46 campains.
Now they just need to model those miliseconds when an entire city falls into dust, just before being blown away into the dust. MAYBE if maddox and crew bring this sweet weapon in they can even model the people nearby still burning and children on the streets like toasty critters - BUT thats just a dream too good to be true http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Sure if she wasn't a nazi and if she was still alive - I'd Hump Her.
http://hazardous.50free.net/Hannah.JPG <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

EStare, you are sick! I can not believe you just posted such crap in this thread! To talk about the horrors of war in such a laughing manner and talking about children burning in the streets, that is sick. Your sig alone cries for help. Mods, please ban this guy and get him some help.

PraetorHonoris
03-28-2004, 04:29 PM
watch out cap!

when I wrote that just the thought of using A-Bombs is absolutly perverse, my post was edited, while EStare's post seems to be okay for the mods...
I still hope that this all is just a huge misunderstanding.

PraetorHonoris
03-28-2004, 04:29 PM
D'oh!

PraetorHonoris
03-28-2004, 04:29 PM
D'oh!

Fw190LongNose
03-28-2004, 05:16 PM
I agree about needing other aicraft like the Tonys, Jacks, Geroges, and Tojos. Also needed would be Wildcats, Hell cats and Corsairs. Japanese Bombers would also be very good, along with a flyable B-25. But it would be interesting how the gunners would function in the B-29s.

Thrawn888
03-28-2004, 05:32 PM
you cant really model the gunners in the b29 except the tail gunner because they were remote controlled

willyvic
03-28-2004, 05:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D-XXI:
.....This is a russian orientated sim so I .....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sadly, that is no longer true.

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PraetorHonoris
03-28-2004, 07:08 PM
right, but it is not a pacific air war simulator as well!

03-28-2004, 08:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CAP401:
EStare, you are sick! I can not believe you just posted such crap in this thread! To talk about the horrors of war in such a laughing manner and talking about children burning in the streets, that is sick. Your sig alone cries for help. Mods, please ban this guy and get him some help.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're joking me right? The children in those cities suffered nothing compared to the jewish children who were burned alive. The children in Nagi and Hiro were mostly evaporated. Cant blame me for adding in those few extra details that IL:2 CAN add. This is what you want in your WWII flight sim isnt it? Detail? Bombings on civilian houses, civilians and friendly soldiers being shot in strafing runs, it was apart of that war. War is hell - And you complain about the details?
BTW: Ive been told my Sig is very funny, thank you very much. Someone must have had a hissy-fit today http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

Sure if she wasn't a nazi and if she was still alive - I'd Hump Her.
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Snow_Wolf_
03-28-2004, 10:31 PM
http://www.ww2guide.com/fires.jpg


http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/b29tk_2.jpg

http://aa.1asphost.com/seafury/mononoke_p2.jpg

RicknZ
03-28-2004, 10:36 PM
GOt any pictures of sep11 or madrid bombing?
Funny how WMD is fine on one hand but not another..

Anyway i dont see the point in any more bombers till mplayer allows multi-crewing in dogfight servers.

RicknZ
03-28-2004, 10:39 PM
Oh and BTW if you think my post above was a troll consider how distasteful you find images of sep11 then perhaps you might stretch that understand how others, such as myself find images of purpose built civilian slaughterers B-29s distasteful.

RicknZ
03-28-2004, 10:43 PM
So Estare your basically saying tit for tat?
So you have no problems with Muslims killing American children since americans went into iraq and butchered thousands in turn?

When does the killing end?

I say stick to tactical bombers and leave WMD, concentration camps and strategic bombers out of il2.

03-28-2004, 10:51 PM
So the Al Queda used WMDs?.... Rick how can you even compare flying a plane into a building, with dropping a couple nukes on major japanese cities. One made 100 thousand people afraid(like yourself) and a few thousand dead - The Other made a few Hundred thousand Dead and a few thousand afraid(RuskieLeaders). Oh and a bomb left on a train is a little different then a nuke dropped on a warring Country that Was training its civilians to Fight To the Death. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

OH AND YES I would enjoy the B-29 being in the game, with or without those joy joy nukes to drop. Many bombs were used in that war, why not add more to IL2 for that EXTRA detail?
Isn't this beautiful?
http://www.kotfsc.com/thunderbolt/graphics/b29-main.jpg
Sure if she wasn't a nazi and if she was still alive - I'd Hump Her.
http://hazardous.50free.net/Hannah.JPG

[This message was edited by EStare on Sun March 28 2004 at 09:59 PM.]

PraetorHonoris
03-29-2004, 09:35 AM
No, it is not.
It is a picture of mass murder.
It maybe belongs to war, but not to a game.
Il2 is about tactical bombers and fighters, it does NOT simulate war with all its terror.

beepboop
03-29-2004, 09:48 AM
A flyable b-29? Ha ha ha. This particular fantasy always comes up for every flight sim. When I used to play aces high online, you couldnā't go five minutes without someone saying ā"why donā't we get a flyable b-29"? Oh, and not to forget the nuclear bomb.

Fact is, this never happens. Why? Simple. The B-29 is complex and boring. Yeah, you heard me. It worked in two ways - firstly by flying at super-high altitudes where it didnā't get shot at. Secondly, and more famously, at low-level with the defensive armament greatly reduced dumping incendiary bombs. Not exactly exhilarating. The plane was also remarkably complex. Radar bombing devices, remote turret operation and so on were impressive developments, but hardly fun subjects for simulation.

Basically, the only reason to put the b-29 into FB would be to indulge peopleā's arcadish desire to fly around in a big plane. No one would fly it realistically - where speed and altitude were its real defenses - and it would be ridiculously out of place. You might as well ask for the Gigant to be made flyable, at least it has more historical authenticity, not to mention comedy value.

Snow_Wolf_
03-29-2004, 11:09 AM
Rick unless you want to risk Millions of lives invading Japan back then, I would just drop the bomb like Truman did and end it all with a single shot. Not to say the Japanese were not going to give up until every last man women children in the country is dead. Odd you complain about the B-29 slaughter of civilians but you would not complain about the B-17 and Lancaster slaughter or even the He-111 and ju-88 slaughter of civilians.


The Boeing B-29 was designed in 1940 as an eventual replacement for the B-17 and B-24. The first one built made its maiden flight on September 21, 1942. In December 1943 it was decided not to use the B-29 in the European Theater, thereby permitting the airplane to be sent to the Pacific area where its great range made it particularly suited for the long over-water flight required to attack the Japanese homeland from bases in China. During the last two months of 1944, B-29s began operating against Japan from the islands of Saipan, Guam and Tinian.

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dahdah
03-29-2004, 11:22 AM
Can we get a B-32 instead. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/photos/dominat2.jpg

Before we get a B-29, we need the B-24. This a/c operated in the Pacific and would be a better addition for the ETO and MTO scenarios.

Breeze147
03-29-2004, 11:41 AM
Why not a whole new sim called "Bombers Of WWII". And on the moral issue of the bomb: The Germans had plans for building a bomber that would fly 5,000 miles one way and nuke New York City. The crew would bail out and be rescued by U-Boats. Fortunately, the sabotage of the heavy water plants at Telemark drastically slowed German progress towards the bomb. Otherwise we would have had our long awaited nuclear holocaust (sarcasm) in 1945.

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PraetorHonoris
03-29-2004, 11:51 AM
@ snow wolf:

So you rather wantet to kill millions of Japanese civilians instead of taking the risk to lose some thousand American Soldiers?
Think G.W.Bush would be proud.
You can post hundrets of "What-if-scenarios" a drop of A-Bombs is simply mass murder, especially as they were dropped over civilians.
Due to the huge, massive superiority of the allied forces concerning weapons (Mps, tanks etc.), drill, material, absolute air and see superiority the loss of American lifes would have been in a very small scale compared to the Japanese, who would have died in battle.

Use of A-Bombs is always mass murder, nothing else.

The use of strategic bombers on civilians targets is a crime of war, no matter whether it was done by Britain, Germany or USA.

@ Breeze.

You may have forgotten, that this plans were made to satisfy Hitler's perverse fantasies and the German scientist slow downed all atomic projects.

PapaSmurf630
03-29-2004, 12:01 PM
Lol that sig people are moaning about cracked me up I'm afraid http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyone seen the film "Empire of the sun", the bit where the B-29 flies over in flames and blows up is like the best bit in the whole movie, the sound of them engines...mmmm
(Also the bit when the P-51's attack the airbase, great stuff!!)

btw, the A-bomb hardly killed MILLIONS of people.....

PraetorHonoris
03-29-2004, 12:09 PM
Old military wisdom during drills:
Exageration makes it more obvious.

Sure A-Bomb did not kill several millions, but still an enormous number - too many

dahdah
03-29-2004, 12:12 PM
PraetorHonoris

Check the American casualties on these 3 islands, Tarawa, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. And you think taking the Home islands would be a mini effort.

For the loss of 108,000 KIA, out of 130,000 Japanese, the Americans had 39,000 Marine and 10,000 naval casualties on and around Okinawa.

22,000 Japanese caused the death of ~7000 Americans on Iwo Jima and that was to take only an 8 sq mile area.

Tarawa, 3000 Americans as casualties caused by 4000 Japanese.

Snow_Wolf_
03-29-2004, 12:15 PM
Buddy it war are you saying you rather let the japanese win the war. I for one who is half japanese and half chinese even feel disgrace to look back the the japanese side of my family cause of what acts we did in Nanking and the treatment of Pows and so on.

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PraetorHonoris
03-29-2004, 12:16 PM
@ dahdah:
They were soldiers, sounds hard, but it is their job to die for their country (or make the other doing so http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)
The people in Nagasaki were Civilians.
I do not like calculations like yours, although they have a certain logic.

@ snow wolf:

I never said that the Japanese made a "clear" war. I am also lucky that their "asia commonwealth" was a failure. But were is the right to nuke them?

Back to the topic: stick on tactical bombers in the game.

Art-J
03-29-2004, 12:26 PM
B-29 flyable? Nah.... It would take the whole width of Finnish map to get with it on operational ceiling of 30000ft and after getting there you would suffer from bad high altitude modelling in this sim http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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dahdah
03-29-2004, 12:47 PM
PraetorHonoris, who made all that war material the Japanese soldiers used, to fight with? It is a fact of so-called modern warfare that civilians die, rightly or wrongly, so stop being the bleeding heart. The fact is, the death of 150,000 Japanese stopped the death of several million or so others, Allied and Japanese. Obw, the Yokyo raids killed more people. There was several thousand civilians on Okinawa that commited suicide. Want to calculate how many on the Home Islands would have done the same. Even if it was only 10% on Okinawa, that would be in the millions on the Home Islands.

Civilians die in ground fighting. So tell me how many Japanese civilians would have died on the Home Islands if there had been an invasion.

Don't like the numbers, to bad, that is an indication of what your 'easy' conquest of would have resulted in.

PraetorHonoris
03-29-2004, 01:01 PM
Conclusion: Bomb civilians?
I am soldier, I could not do this. And if I ever get the order to do this, I will not obey.
War is a terrible thing, I know in USA there is the common sense that the A-Bomb has shorten it, what is true.
But the price was mass murder and once again: there is a difference between killing Soldiers and civilians. If you don't believe that, study the "laws of war" (I don't know how exactly this is called in English, sorry)

JR_Greenhorn
03-29-2004, 01:11 PM
Would you guys please stop this crap!?!
Keep it on the topic of the B-29 as an aircraft and whether or not it should be modeled for FB or not. You will only get this thread locked if you continue, and frankly, I don't want to see this kind of discussion here anyway.



That said, I think most here want more flyable bombers of any kind, but many would settle for more heavies as AI, just because of the mission building opportunities the bring.

The B-29 was intended to cruise at an altitude that isn't the strong suit of FB, but it obviously also flew much lower operationally. Most missions are better when bombers--especially heavies--are airstarted, and the long-range capabilites of such bombers are not frequently popular either.

Other relevent strengths of the B-29 include its high speed cruise (again, for a heavy bomber), and its increased defensive capability compared to the existing B-17. For these reasons, the B-29 would make a better match for some of the late war and experimental planes we have recently recieved through the AEP.

While it would be neat to try the remote turret systems in game, I, for one, would be happy to see the B-29 as AI also.

PraetorHonoris
03-29-2004, 01:18 PM
Back to the topic:

Il2 has an engine made for low altitudes, e.g. for tactical bombers supporting ground troops and fighters trying to prevent this.
At high altitude graphics look poor due to the limited sight. And yes I have perfect on, nevertheless I can't see very far.
On the other hand: it must be pretty boring flying this monster as Beepboop already said.
So why include this aircraft?

JR_Greenhorn
03-29-2004, 01:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
Back to the topic...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thank you.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
On the other hand: it must be pretty boring flying this monster as Beepboop already said.
So why include this aircraft?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The flying of strategic bombers in FB vs. how they were flown historically is a topic all its own. There are some strong opinions on this matter, and whether or not these bombers can be flown enjoyably is a subjective argument.

However, as an AI plane the B-29 is attractive to those that enjoy intercept missions due to the challenge of downing such a bomberas this one.

Also, the B-29 offers great "what if" potential, as it could have been used in the ETO, and, as I said before, it makes a better match to the late Luftwaffe fighters as does the B-17 (or B-24).

Also, there are those that wish to sim the PTO--whether we will see it officially or not, and each plane we get that flew there historically opens up great new possibilities for mission building.

Finaly, the B-29 in particular offers potential to be used as a Tu-4 for those that wish to sim engagements with that aircraft.

03-29-2004, 01:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
Back to the topic:

Il2 has an engine made for low altitudes, e.g. for tactical bombers supporting ground troops and fighters trying to prevent this.
At high altitude graphics look poor due to the limited sight. And yes I have perfect on, nevertheless I can't see very far.
On the other hand: it must be pretty boring flying this monster as Beepboop already said.
So why include this aircraft?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Boring to fly this aircraft? I wouldnt think it would be ANY more different than flying the TB3 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Sure it was a stratigic aircraft. That means it shouldnt be added? I dont mind climbing up to 30,000feet and dropping like 10,000lbs of bombs on a target that doesnt even know Im there. This issue about this aircraft has always been like other aircraft - IF THE MODELS ARE THERE it can be added. Just like the Gotha and P-80. The morality battle over this aircraft has already been fought and won *Conclusion* It was a bomber and did same things that B-17s, THE PE-8, and probably the Gotha(would do) did.

BTW Rick : WTC ANTHRAX BOMB WMD! RUN RUN RUN! OMGLMAOROFLBBQ. Youre controled by fear my friend, take it easy.

Sure if she wasn't a nazi and if she was still alive - I'd Hump Her.
http://hazardous.50free.net/Hannah.JPG

KIMURA
03-29-2004, 01:34 PM
one more crap thread.............. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Farbe_und_Bunt
03-29-2004, 02:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:
one more crap thread.............. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree.

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