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arcadeace
12-29-2003, 04:37 PM
Maybe it was, but I picture the Stuka knocking out more.

arcadeace
12-29-2003, 04:37 PM
Maybe it was, but I picture the Stuka knocking out more.

SkyChimp
12-29-2003, 04:49 PM
I think the Typoon was the best WWII tank killer.

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p1ngu666
12-29-2003, 04:50 PM
hmm, not much ammo in the stuka mind :\
il2 u would take out the tanks, the apcs, half tracks, troops, horses, lorries, bulidings, anything that moved
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Vipez-
12-29-2003, 06:44 PM
well it did its job pretty well, but certainly not without losses.

I wouldn't call Typhoon that efficient as tank buster, the rockets of the era very extremly unefficient if you look at the numbers shot / hit.. Just because we have such sniper rockets in the game does not mean they were so in real life http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


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Suckerpunch11
12-29-2003, 10:30 PM
My guess is that the Stuka killed the most tanks (although the IL-2 was almost certainly a better ground-attack plane). A couple of reasons:

1. Although the Soviets always had a huge quantitative superiority in aircraft, they never achieved air superiority until at least two years into the conflict--so the Stukas more or less had free roam for quite a while.

2. The Soviets had huge amounts of armor and unlimited reserves (actually, this was true of everything they had: men, planes, artillery, etc.). It was a target-rich environment. The Germans killed planes, men, tanks in HUGE numbers, but they could only kill so fast. Eventually they were just overwhelmed.

But before being crushed by the sheer weight of numbers, the Stukas extracted an extremely heavy toll. I think the IL-2 could have easily matched this performance given the right circumstances, but ultimately there were nowhere near as many Geman tanks to be destroyed.

Korolov
12-29-2003, 10:41 PM
In the game - yes, bar none.

In real life - yes, but its combat results are not as glamorous as other tank killers.

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nutt3r
12-30-2003, 04:13 AM
had the germans had mor ju87Gs then that might have been the better tank destroyer look how many tanks they took out at kursk

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LeadSpitter_
12-30-2003, 05:01 AM
the stuka had the most tank kills but theres more accuracy in rockets then dive bombing in FB, and aircraft that didnt dive bomb he111 il2 can in fb, also the stuka dont blackout from its pullout after its dive with airbrakes extended in fb, I think its part of the problem of aircraft movement looking so unrealistic. No unrecoverable elevator stick pressures before brakeup speed that need to be trimed to help get you out of the dive and the Gs pilots are taking without blacking out.

Many wwi bi planes pilots died from blacking out and crashing in FB the b239 i16 i153 p11 can do the tighest high speed manuvers without blacking out

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Vipez-
12-30-2003, 07:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
the stuka had the most tank kills but theres more accuracy in rockets then dive bombing in FB, and aircraft that didnt dive bomb he111 il2 can in fb, also the stuka dont blackout from its pullout after its dive with airbrakes extended in fb, I think its part of the problem of aircraft movement looking so unrealistic. No unrecoverable elevator stick pressures before brakeup speed that need to be trimed to help get you out of the dive and the Gs pilots are taking without blacking out.
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Stukas and JU-88s had autorecovery functions you know, if you divebombed the plane recovered automaticly even if you blacked out for a minute.


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p1ngu666
12-30-2003, 08:06 AM
i know that, but it never blacks out for me

MiloMorai
12-30-2003, 08:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nutt3r:
had the germans had mor ju87Gs then that might have been the better tank destroyer look how many tanks they took out at kursk.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What was the percentage of the 'tank kills' was that, please?

Do you have simular info on the Soviet tank 'kills'?

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SC, this link was posted over at SimHQ. An interesting read.

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jeroen_R90S
12-30-2003, 08:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:

Many wwi bi planes pilots died from blacking out and crashing in FB the b239 i16 i153 p11 can do the tighest high speed manuvers without blacking out <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

By the time the pilot reaches the moment of black-out, I'd say most WWI era planes would rather fold their wings and fall apart from the abuse to the structure, rather than crashing due to pilot blackout.

I think pilot blackout in WWI was experienced more by fast BnZ scouts like the Fokker D.VII and SPAD XIII rather than low speed turnfighters like the Camel or Fokker Dr.I.

I can see your point, though.

Jeroen

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MiloMorai
12-30-2003, 09:01 AM
Most WW2 a/c were stressed to high single digit Gs, positve. A pilot has a very hard time to not 'black out' in any sustained G manuever especially since they were not trained to accept those Gs as are modern pilots.

SECUDUS
12-30-2003, 01:49 PM
I read somewhere that the Tempest had the equivelent fire power of a British Cruiser broadside if everthing was loosed at once!

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MiloMorai
12-30-2003, 02:00 PM
Secudus, the warhead of the rockets was a 5" shell(for the HE type).http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Gibbage1
12-30-2003, 02:44 PM
P-47 with its .50 cal guns was the best tank-killer by far! You should see the guncam footage of them straifing horse drawn carrages full of ammo, then you would know who was king of the tank busters!

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dizeee
12-30-2003, 02:55 PM
lol... ye .50 cal tearing tiger tanks appart. i think we had that already.
anyway, once again. ww2 airial armorkills are way way overrrated and exegerated. for all sides, wich includes those "famed" tankbusters like: stuka, il2, typhoon and especialy the p47. shooting up a open topped halftrack or some lorries is another story....
ah yeah btw, that "boucing of .50 cal rounds from the street surface to the bottom of the tank" thing is a typical ww2 myth.