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WWhistlingDeath
04-03-2004, 06:18 AM
How come no mention of the Chance Vought masterpiece? How can a Pacific simm be made without it? Please Don't release the game without it.

WWhistlingDeath
04-03-2004, 06:18 AM
How come no mention of the Chance Vought masterpiece? How can a Pacific simm be made without it? Please Don't release the game without it.

Vengeanze
04-03-2004, 06:33 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1241.gif

U seriously think they'll release a pacific sim without the corssie?
Don't worry.

Btw I heard there won't be any spits in BoB. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

/Ven

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olaleier
04-03-2004, 06:39 AM
The Corsair was way overrated.

PF will do just as well without it.

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Tully__
04-03-2004, 06:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by olaleier:
The Corsair was way overrated.

PF will do just as well without it.

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olaleier
04-03-2004, 06:53 AM
*whistle whistle*

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bird_brain
04-03-2004, 07:28 AM
Don't worry....It will be there and then we can start a 2 year thread whining about how the visibility is way off & post pictures & blah blah blah......... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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DONB3397
04-03-2004, 07:37 AM
Snowpipe's model was posted on Netwings about Feb. 6. Beautiful! Reported on IL2 Database site as external 80 percent complete. Damage model and cockpit apparently are just getting underway.

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VMF-214_HaVoK
04-03-2004, 03:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by olaleier:
The Corsair was way overrated.

PF will do just as well without it.

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Overrated? LOL because you say so? Even if it is the game will fair much better for the fact that many would buy it because its available. Many bought AEP for P-38 and Spitfire.

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BSS_Vidar
04-03-2004, 04:07 PM
Corsair over-rated? Now there is someone that has no idea what he's talkin' about. lol The only single engine fighter faster was the Grumman Bearcat. The Japanees didn't call it Whistleing Death because it sounded like a Bluebird either. I suppose you think the 109's, 190's, Ki's and Yak in IL-2 are "real neat" to fly.

Vidar

necrobaron
04-03-2004, 04:47 PM
Whole lotta fishin' goin' on. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
04-03-2004, 05:24 PM
well she had 2000 Hp

AND THAT WAS JUST THE FIRST MODEL ! ! ! !

one of the worst turn times out of all the American fighters tho

all in all was a classic

RedDeth
04-03-2004, 08:00 PM
P-47M ...fastest production prop fighter of world war two. and it saw lots of combat.

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WWhistlingDeath
04-04-2004, 04:48 PM
Hey Pappy, even if the Corsair was overated it is still a piece of history that should be included in the game. But the 11 to 1 kill ratio might be a fact you want to check out when making your claim. Hmmm, facts instead of opinions. Theres a noble thought.

olaleier
04-04-2004, 05:37 PM
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this is going to need some serious heat!"

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Heuristic_ALgor
04-04-2004, 05:41 PM
BAN HIM!!

PlavaLaguna
04-04-2004, 06:22 PM
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Fennec_P
04-04-2004, 06:27 PM
For the benefit of the uninitiated.

http://www.futurastic.com/F4U_Max/02-01-04/Right.jpg

Click this link for more pictures. (http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/759.html)

JG27_BLACKHART
04-04-2004, 07:28 PM
Aww Badsight She wasn't that bad of a turner ... very muenuverable plane in lower speeds but had 200 HP more than the Oscar.

VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Just watched the History of 215th Pappy was iteresting in-deed lol.

I hope Corsair comes out in the release of PF though ... I hope I hope I hope. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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JG27_BLACKHART
04-04-2004, 07:41 PM
Did I say 215th .. D'oh 214th .... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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BSS_Vidar
04-04-2004, 08:47 PM
Thank you Fennes_P! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Dat made me have the "Oh face"... oh, oH, OH! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

If they make it look that sweet in PF I'll just http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

~S~

Vidar

VW-IceFire
04-04-2004, 09:01 PM
Worst turn times eh? Worse than the P-47?

Interesting...I would have figured she was an average turner, better than the FW190.

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Fliger747
04-05-2004, 11:48 AM
The AI in most combat flight sims seem to favor turning fight, which if you let yourself get sucked in, doesn't favor the F4U. It takes a while to learn and appreciate this aircraft, but it was to quote "Pappy", a "sweet flying baby".

What is amazing is that it took as long as it did to work out some of the initial bugs such as the strut dampening, the stall strip, and cowl flap problem (resultant oil on the windscreen). Understandable perhaps when one realizes everything was a "war emergency". However credit must be given to the Grumman Iron Works for getting it right the first time in the F6F series.

JR_Greenhorn
04-05-2004, 01:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fliger747:
What is amazing is that it took as long as it did to work out some of the initial bugs such as the strut dampening, the stall strip, and cowl flap problem (resultant oil on the windscreen). Understandable perhaps when one realizes everything was a "war emergency". However credit must be given to the Grumman Iron Works for getting it right the first time in the F6F series.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>A lot of the F4U's problems arise from the designers' insistance on using as great of propellor diameter as possible. Corsairs had 13' to 14' diameter propellors, depending on the variant. Compare that figure to the 11'-11.5' propellors of planes like the P-51 and P-38 (I haven't been able to track down F6F prop. dimensions).

Also, the F6F dosen't have a turbosupercharger, but the F4U does.

The reward for these differences (in addition to wing differences) is a nearly 30 mph differnce in top speed.


Cleary the Corsair was designed with performance in mind, while the Hellcat was designed to excell in its operational regime. These are very different design criteria, so its not accurate to say Grumman "[got] it right the first time..."

Cage50
04-05-2004, 01:31 PM
Prop size F6F=F4U

edited note: While doing research for a scale rc prop size on an F6F and F4U, I found a reference that the F6F used the same prop as an F4U, now I can't find it. I'll keep lookin'.

edited note 2: The only thing I find now is a CAF article stating the F6F used a Hamilton Standard 13'1" prop, which is what the F4U started using during the production of the -1D versus the 13'4" on previous Corsairs.

[This message was edited by Cage50 on Mon April 05 2004 at 01:35 PM.]

Fliger747
04-06-2004, 01:09 AM
Hellcat F6f3: 13' 1"
F4U 4: 13'2"

Cage50
04-06-2004, 02:39 AM
I understand it as:
F6F = 13'1" 3-blade
F4U-1 thru F4U-1D before BuNo. 57356 = 13'4" 3-blade
F4U-1D BuNo. 57356+ = 13'1" 3-blade
F4U-4 = new engine, 4-blade

Cattail4
04-06-2004, 02:51 PM
The Corsair was an excellent design that just got better over time. It was the only WW 2 Fighter that was in continuous production for over 10 years. When you think about it this whole Il2 thing started with a Russion ground attack theme. The Corsair was among the best American ground attack aircraft in WW 2. They would need to include it for that reason alone. I do hope that not only do they include the F4U-1A, but also give us the different variations. I personally am hoping for the F4U-4B, that model had 4 20mm cannons with 960 rounds of ammo. Great medicine for those Ki 84c's that have taken over servers.

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ckur
04-07-2004, 01:39 AM
I would like to see earlier models also. For example Black sheep flew mostly F4U-1 model.

Here is a link to comparision between F4U and p51: http://home.att.net/~historyzone/F4U-4.html

CornbreadPattie
04-07-2004, 09:17 AM
I hope we get the 1943 Birdcage model. It is the version that compels me to fly this plane the most. I think we should get comprehensive versions of most planes.

Gunny124
04-07-2004, 11:33 AM
Good stuff there in the comparison. One thing not mentioned there is that in an actual dogfight, a Mustang was shot down by a -5 Corsair.

SkyChimp
04-07-2004, 06:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JR_Greenhorn:

Also, the F6F dosen't have a turbosupercharger, but the F4U does.

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The F6F and the F4U-1/1A/1D had vitually the same engines. The only real difference was that one had an updraft carb, the other a downdraft carb. Otherwise, both had the same 2 stage/2 speed superchargers.

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Bull_dog_
04-07-2004, 07:04 PM
I'm not a Corsair expert, but I expect the F4U to be a little like the P-47 with the following differences:

1) the corsiar is significantly faster at medium and low altitude and optimized at 20,000 ft.

2) I know the corsair had a good roll rate...similar, maybe better than the jug...definitely better than the hellcat

3) I think the corsair was a slightly poorer turner at high speed, but more agile at low speed than the jug both in turn and roll... I'm thinking the corsair should turn with Ki-44's and Ki-61's at medium and slow speed... again not 100% sure but I'm fairly certain that it has better low speed manueverability than the jug

4) I know the F4U-4 could climb like a Bf-109K...something like 4700ft/min... the other corsairs I think can outclimb non-paddle blade Jugs but not sure about the paddle blade versions...

I stated in another post on the same subject that I don't think Oleg did us any favors when flight modelling the Jug, so if the Corsair is accurate, it should be quite a bit better than the Jug we now have in FB....particularly the climb and speed. Oleg just won't put that paddle blade prop on the D-22 and D-27... but that is another post.

jpatrick62
05-11-2004, 01:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
one of the worst turn times out of all the American fighters tho

all in all was a classic<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
In fact, the Corsair was one of the better turners. When talking about sustained turn rate, the corsair bested the P38, P47, and P51, being inferior only to the Hellcat. Of course turn rate is dependent on altitude and speed, but in all, the Corsair handled very well. It was not a low speed turner in the tradition of the Hurricane or Zero, but then t was designed for high speed operation and in that realm, she turned very well.

jpatrick62
05-11-2004, 02:05 PM
One more thing - I'm not sure why the Corsairs is being pegged as a poor sustained turner. Clearly, testing done at the time:
http://home.att.net/~historyzone/F4U-4.html
indicates it was better than the p51B (which was superior tothe P47 and P38). I guess it comes from comparisons to the Zero and other Japanes planes, to which NO American plane could turn with. The Americans had armour and self sealing petrol tanks. The Japanese did not add these things which allowed their designs to have a lower wing loading than comperable American designs. In fact, the Zero wings could not even hold a mans weight, so thin was the metal sheething. For this, the Japanese could manuver better at lower speds than American planes, but paid the price when they were hit. In addition, American planes (both the Hellcat and Corsair) could out manuver the Jap models at higher speeds, were the Alerions of the Zero were basically unmoveable.