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Tooz_69GIAP
07-19-2004, 03:39 AM
On a website I found a while ago, there was one of these orders, and it described the circumstances under which Soviet air force personnel were decorated.

Here is the text:

Order of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR
No.299 of 19 August 1941.
In order to encourage and reward the flight personnel of the Red Army Air Force in the fight against German Fascism, I ordain the following order of nominating the flyers, commanders and commissars:
I.
A. Fighters.

1. For each shot-down enemy aircraft - bonus 1,000 Roubles.
2. Additionally to the money bonus, the fighter pilot is awarded
- Decoration from the Government for 3 kills;
- The second decoration for the next 3 kills;
- The Hero of the Soviet Union for 10 kills.
3. For successful attacks on ground targets the flyers are awarded as follows:
- For 5 combat missions with bonus of 1,500 Roubles;
- For 15 missions the pilot of the fighter is awarded with the decoration from the Government and bonus of 2,000 Roubles;
- For 25 missions the pilot is awarded with the second decoration and bonus of 3,000 Roubles;
- For 40 missions the pilot of fighter is awarded with the Hero of the Soviet Union and bonus of 5,000 Roubles.
In all cases the results and effectiveness must be confirmed by the commanders of the ground troops or by reconnaissance.
4. For the destruction of the enemy's aircraft on the ground fighter pilots are awarded as follows:

- For 4 missions on the attack of airfields the pilot is awarded 1,500 Roubles;
- For 10 missions at the daytime or 5 missions at nighttime the pilot is awarded the decoration and bonus of 2,000 Roubles;
- For 20 missions in daytime or 10 missions in nighttime the pilot is awarded the second decoration and bonus of 3,000 Roubles;
- For 35 missions in daytime or 20 missions in nighttime the pilot is awarded the Hero of the Soviet Union and bonus of 5,000 Roubles.
The results of actions against the enemy's airfields must be confirmed by photographs or reconnaissance.
The pilot, who rammed the aircraft of the enemy, is also awarded the decoration.
The number of shot-down aircraft is determined in each specific case by witnessing of the pilot at the place of crashing aircraft or by determining the place of the crash of the aircraft by the commander of the air regiment.
B. Ground attack and tactical bombers.

1. For 10 missions at the daytime or 5 missions at the nighttime for bombing and destruction of objects each crewmember is awarded with the decoration and bonus of 1,000 Roubles.
2. For 20 missions at the daytime or 10 missions at the nighttime for bombing and destruction of objects each crewmember is awarded with the second decoration and bonus of 2,000 Roubles.
3. For 35 missions at the daytime or 20 missions at the nighttime at bombing and destruction of objects each crewmember is awarded with the Hero of the Soviet Union and bonus of 3,000 Roubles.
In all cases the results must be confirmed by the photos taken during the raid or by the reco photos in 3-4 Hours after the raid.
4. Independ of the number of carried out missions, the pilot, navigator or gunner, who personally shot down an enemy aircraft is awarded with:
- Bonus of 1,000 Roubles for 1 aircraft;
- The decoration and bonus of 1,500 Roubles for 2 aircraft;
- The second nomination and bonus of 2,000 Roubles for 5 aircraft;
- The Hero of the Soviet Union and bonus 5,000 Roubles for 8 aircraft.
C. Long-range and heavy bombers.

1. For raids on the industrial and defense targets the crews are awarded as follows:
- For each successful bombing each crewmember receives 500 Roubles;
- For 5 successful raids each crewmember receives a decoration additional to the bonus;
- For 8 successful raids additional to the bonus each crewmember is bestowed with the second decoration;
- For 12 successful raids each crewmember is awarded the Hero of the Soviet Union and bonus;

2. For the successful action in the tactical rear of the enemy the crews of the long-ranged and heavy bombers are awarded in the same order as the crews of the close-support and ground-attack aviation.
3. For the raids on the political centre (capital city):
- For each raid each crewmember receive 2,000 Roubles;
- For 3 successful raids each crewmember is bestowed with the decoration;
- For 5 successful raids each crewmember is awarded with the second decoration;
- For 10 successful raids each crewmember is awarded with the Hero of the Soviet Union.
D. For the reconnaissance missions:

- For 10 missions at the daytime or 5 night missions each crewmember is awarded with the decoration and 1,000 Roubles;
- For 20 missions at the daytime or 10 night missions each crewmember is awarded with the second decoration and 2,000 Roubles;
- For 40 missions at the daytime or 15 night missions each crewmember is awarded with the Hero of the Soviet Union and 3,000 Roubles.
In all cases the results must be confirmed by aerial photos or by reports from other crews, flying to destroy the found objects, or confirmation by other crews.
II.
Nomination of Red Army AF units and commanders.
Commanders of front Air forces honour air regiments and squadrons with State decorations on the basis of results combined with minimal losses of both personnel and materiel.
Commanders and commissars of regiments and squadrons are nominated if:
A. Fighters.
Squadron leader and commissar are awarded membership of Order of Lenin, if their squadron destroyed not less than 15 enemy aircraft with loss of no more than 3 of their own aircraft.
Regiment commander and commissar are awarded membership of Order of Lenin, if their regiment destroyed not less than 30 enemy aircraft with loss of no more than 5 of their own aircraft.
B. Ground attack and tactical bombers.

Squadron leader and commissar are awarded State decoration, if their squadron fulfilled not less than 100 missions with loss of no more than 3 of their own aircraft.
Regiment commander and commissar are awarded membership of Order of Lenin, if their regiment fulfilled not less than 250 missions with loss of no more than 6 of their own aircraft.
C. Long range and heavy bombers.

Squadron leader and commissar are awarded membership of Order of Lenin, if their squadron fulfilled not less than 50 bombing raids with loss of no more than 2 of their own aircraft.
Regiment commander and commissar are awarded membership of Order of Lenin, if their regiment fulfilled not less than 150 bombing raids with loss of no more than 5 of their own aircraft.
D. Reconnaissance units.

Commissar and squadron leader of squadron performing not less than 100 short-range missions or not less than 50 long-range missions, with loss of not more than 3 of their own aircraft, are awarded membership of the Order of Lenin.
III.
Rewards for saving materiel and aircraft.
Both flight and ground personnel are awarded money bonuses for preserving materiel and for accident-free flights, as follows:
- Pilots of any rank and class for each 100 flights without accident, excluding training, are paid 5,000 Roubles. The loss of orientation in flight prevents award.
- Ground personnel receives 3,000 Roubles for each 100 flights without breakdowns.
- Engineer-officers receive 25 per cent from total bonus sum paid to the technical personnel.
- For each aircraft repaired to high standards, personnel of mobile repair shops each receives 500 Roubles per plane.
- For repair of more than 50 aircraft, personnel of mobile repair shops receive a State decoration.
IV.
Prevention of sabotage.
Commanders and commissars of divisions are to investigate in detail each case of crash landing and other accidents leading to damage to aircraft.
If crash landing or other accident occurred without obvious or reasonable explanation, persons guilty are subject to court martial as deserters.
The present order is in force from August 20, 1941.
People's Commissar of Defense J.V. Stalin


Now, it mentions that "the pilot is awarded with the state decoration" and "the pilot is awarded with the second decoration".

What I don't know is what these decorations would be. I would assume it would be an Order of the Red Star, or perhaps an Order of Glory (pretty difficult to come by far as I can tell!), or some such thing.

Does anyone know what these decorations might have been?? Or know a place I could find out?

Cheers,

Tooz

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Tooz_69GIAP
07-19-2004, 03:39 AM
On a website I found a while ago, there was one of these orders, and it described the circumstances under which Soviet air force personnel were decorated.

Here is the text:

Order of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR
No.299 of 19 August 1941.
In order to encourage and reward the flight personnel of the Red Army Air Force in the fight against German Fascism, I ordain the following order of nominating the flyers, commanders and commissars:
I.
A. Fighters.

1. For each shot-down enemy aircraft - bonus 1,000 Roubles.
2. Additionally to the money bonus, the fighter pilot is awarded
- Decoration from the Government for 3 kills;
- The second decoration for the next 3 kills;
- The Hero of the Soviet Union for 10 kills.
3. For successful attacks on ground targets the flyers are awarded as follows:
- For 5 combat missions with bonus of 1,500 Roubles;
- For 15 missions the pilot of the fighter is awarded with the decoration from the Government and bonus of 2,000 Roubles;
- For 25 missions the pilot is awarded with the second decoration and bonus of 3,000 Roubles;
- For 40 missions the pilot of fighter is awarded with the Hero of the Soviet Union and bonus of 5,000 Roubles.
In all cases the results and effectiveness must be confirmed by the commanders of the ground troops or by reconnaissance.
4. For the destruction of the enemy's aircraft on the ground fighter pilots are awarded as follows:

- For 4 missions on the attack of airfields the pilot is awarded 1,500 Roubles;
- For 10 missions at the daytime or 5 missions at nighttime the pilot is awarded the decoration and bonus of 2,000 Roubles;
- For 20 missions in daytime or 10 missions in nighttime the pilot is awarded the second decoration and bonus of 3,000 Roubles;
- For 35 missions in daytime or 20 missions in nighttime the pilot is awarded the Hero of the Soviet Union and bonus of 5,000 Roubles.
The results of actions against the enemy's airfields must be confirmed by photographs or reconnaissance.
The pilot, who rammed the aircraft of the enemy, is also awarded the decoration.
The number of shot-down aircraft is determined in each specific case by witnessing of the pilot at the place of crashing aircraft or by determining the place of the crash of the aircraft by the commander of the air regiment.
B. Ground attack and tactical bombers.

1. For 10 missions at the daytime or 5 missions at the nighttime for bombing and destruction of objects each crewmember is awarded with the decoration and bonus of 1,000 Roubles.
2. For 20 missions at the daytime or 10 missions at the nighttime for bombing and destruction of objects each crewmember is awarded with the second decoration and bonus of 2,000 Roubles.
3. For 35 missions at the daytime or 20 missions at the nighttime at bombing and destruction of objects each crewmember is awarded with the Hero of the Soviet Union and bonus of 3,000 Roubles.
In all cases the results must be confirmed by the photos taken during the raid or by the reco photos in 3-4 Hours after the raid.
4. Independ of the number of carried out missions, the pilot, navigator or gunner, who personally shot down an enemy aircraft is awarded with:
- Bonus of 1,000 Roubles for 1 aircraft;
- The decoration and bonus of 1,500 Roubles for 2 aircraft;
- The second nomination and bonus of 2,000 Roubles for 5 aircraft;
- The Hero of the Soviet Union and bonus 5,000 Roubles for 8 aircraft.
C. Long-range and heavy bombers.

1. For raids on the industrial and defense targets the crews are awarded as follows:
- For each successful bombing each crewmember receives 500 Roubles;
- For 5 successful raids each crewmember receives a decoration additional to the bonus;
- For 8 successful raids additional to the bonus each crewmember is bestowed with the second decoration;
- For 12 successful raids each crewmember is awarded the Hero of the Soviet Union and bonus;

2. For the successful action in the tactical rear of the enemy the crews of the long-ranged and heavy bombers are awarded in the same order as the crews of the close-support and ground-attack aviation.
3. For the raids on the political centre (capital city):
- For each raid each crewmember receive 2,000 Roubles;
- For 3 successful raids each crewmember is bestowed with the decoration;
- For 5 successful raids each crewmember is awarded with the second decoration;
- For 10 successful raids each crewmember is awarded with the Hero of the Soviet Union.
D. For the reconnaissance missions:

- For 10 missions at the daytime or 5 night missions each crewmember is awarded with the decoration and 1,000 Roubles;
- For 20 missions at the daytime or 10 night missions each crewmember is awarded with the second decoration and 2,000 Roubles;
- For 40 missions at the daytime or 15 night missions each crewmember is awarded with the Hero of the Soviet Union and 3,000 Roubles.
In all cases the results must be confirmed by aerial photos or by reports from other crews, flying to destroy the found objects, or confirmation by other crews.
II.
Nomination of Red Army AF units and commanders.
Commanders of front Air forces honour air regiments and squadrons with State decorations on the basis of results combined with minimal losses of both personnel and materiel.
Commanders and commissars of regiments and squadrons are nominated if:
A. Fighters.
Squadron leader and commissar are awarded membership of Order of Lenin, if their squadron destroyed not less than 15 enemy aircraft with loss of no more than 3 of their own aircraft.
Regiment commander and commissar are awarded membership of Order of Lenin, if their regiment destroyed not less than 30 enemy aircraft with loss of no more than 5 of their own aircraft.
B. Ground attack and tactical bombers.

Squadron leader and commissar are awarded State decoration, if their squadron fulfilled not less than 100 missions with loss of no more than 3 of their own aircraft.
Regiment commander and commissar are awarded membership of Order of Lenin, if their regiment fulfilled not less than 250 missions with loss of no more than 6 of their own aircraft.
C. Long range and heavy bombers.

Squadron leader and commissar are awarded membership of Order of Lenin, if their squadron fulfilled not less than 50 bombing raids with loss of no more than 2 of their own aircraft.
Regiment commander and commissar are awarded membership of Order of Lenin, if their regiment fulfilled not less than 150 bombing raids with loss of no more than 5 of their own aircraft.
D. Reconnaissance units.

Commissar and squadron leader of squadron performing not less than 100 short-range missions or not less than 50 long-range missions, with loss of not more than 3 of their own aircraft, are awarded membership of the Order of Lenin.
III.
Rewards for saving materiel and aircraft.
Both flight and ground personnel are awarded money bonuses for preserving materiel and for accident-free flights, as follows:
- Pilots of any rank and class for each 100 flights without accident, excluding training, are paid 5,000 Roubles. The loss of orientation in flight prevents award.
- Ground personnel receives 3,000 Roubles for each 100 flights without breakdowns.
- Engineer-officers receive 25 per cent from total bonus sum paid to the technical personnel.
- For each aircraft repaired to high standards, personnel of mobile repair shops each receives 500 Roubles per plane.
- For repair of more than 50 aircraft, personnel of mobile repair shops receive a State decoration.
IV.
Prevention of sabotage.
Commanders and commissars of divisions are to investigate in detail each case of crash landing and other accidents leading to damage to aircraft.
If crash landing or other accident occurred without obvious or reasonable explanation, persons guilty are subject to court martial as deserters.
The present order is in force from August 20, 1941.
People's Commissar of Defense J.V. Stalin


Now, it mentions that "the pilot is awarded with the state decoration" and "the pilot is awarded with the second decoration".

What I don't know is what these decorations would be. I would assume it would be an Order of the Red Star, or perhaps an Order of Glory (pretty difficult to come by far as I can tell!), or some such thing.

Does anyone know what these decorations might have been?? Or know a place I could find out?

Cheers,

Tooz

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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Zayets
07-19-2004, 03:42 AM
I wonder what happened with the money Sturmovik pilots gained.Did their families collected the cash?Or it was for the pilot only?Or how about the gunman.This one rarely hapened to enjoy his rubles.

Zayets out

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Tooz_69GIAP
07-19-2004, 03:56 AM
this is what the website had at the bottom of the page:

A good question: how much was 1000 Ruble? The answer is not simple. Comparing to the wages of 100 Ruble, it seems to be a lot. BUT. Practically everything was distributed via card system. Do not mix it with credit cards http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, it means that if you are given a card for a piece of soap a month, you can get ONLY one piece of soap in a month. If you need two, you could trade it for something or buy at the black market. The market prices were very high and comparing to them 1000 was not much. Questioning of elders revealed that asset could be either posted to the family to support them or was just about enough for a good drinking party with girls. To cure a hangover, you simply had to shoot down another German aircraft. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Seems that if they had a family, they'd send the money back, or they'd just drink it away!!

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Arms1
07-19-2004, 04:05 AM
judging from that info Tooz, it's a wonder that Kozhedub was able to remember any of his time in the service

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tfu_iain1
07-19-2004, 05:16 AM
OT, but I like the Flashman sig. George MacDonald Fraser is an inspired writer. And what a cad!

Inadaze
07-19-2004, 07:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tfu_iain1:
OT, but I like the Flashman sig. George MacDonald Fraser is an inspired writer. And what a cad!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Likewise, I've read a fair few of the Flashman books. I love the way he insinuates Flashman into historical scenarios.

Have you read "Quartered safe out here"? It's G.M Frasers memoirs of the war in Burma, where he served with the Cumbrian Borderers. It's a damned good read, and shows alot of insight into the mindset of an infantry soldier during the war.

I heartily recommend it, it's the best memoir from WW2 I've read so far.

S! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif ~ Inadaze

tfu_iain1
07-19-2004, 08:31 AM
No but i have read 'The Sheik and the Dustbin', one of the McAuslan books

'Ahm no durty sur.'