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J.J_Ramone
09-14-2004, 06:01 AM
Hi,

I normally fly the Fw 190 (mainly A4-A8) with prop pitch set to auto. I.e. leave it as it is and control speed and rpm through throttle and WEP.

Some experienced flyers of the 190's series discussed using manual pitch on the 190s some time ago on this forum. My question is if there are any combat advantages in switching to manual? I'm a frequent user of manual pitch control on the Bf 109's but it works differenly on the FW's. Are there any gains whatsoever, like better climb, acceleration etc? The only benefit I could think of is for improved cruise economy, not for combat.

Furthermore, there is some sort of warning with the A4, saying that if you switch to manual during flight, you are stuck in an "emergency mode" and have to remain with the manual control for the rest of the flight. Never figured that one out.

All input on this are welcome.

Thanks,
Johnny Ramone

J.J_Ramone
09-14-2004, 06:01 AM
Hi,

I normally fly the Fw 190 (mainly A4-A8) with prop pitch set to auto. I.e. leave it as it is and control speed and rpm through throttle and WEP.

Some experienced flyers of the 190's series discussed using manual pitch on the 190s some time ago on this forum. My question is if there are any combat advantages in switching to manual? I'm a frequent user of manual pitch control on the Bf 109's but it works differenly on the FW's. Are there any gains whatsoever, like better climb, acceleration etc? The only benefit I could think of is for improved cruise economy, not for combat.

Furthermore, there is some sort of warning with the A4, saying that if you switch to manual during flight, you are stuck in an "emergency mode" and have to remain with the manual control for the rest of the flight. Never figured that one out.

All input on this are welcome.

Thanks,
Johnny Ramone

jurinko
09-14-2004, 06:11 AM
switch to manual changes the engine/prop system to constant prop system (like on russian or allied planes). Yes you can get a bit higher rpm depending on the flight regime, but no such a gain as in case of 109. Be aware 190 will overheat much more quickly with 100% prop pitch unlike other planes which fly at 100% all the time without much overheat, maybe except zeke.

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OldMan____
09-14-2004, 06:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by J.J_Ramone:
Hi,

I normally fly the Fw 190 (mainly A4-A8) with prop pitch set to auto. I.e. leave it as it is and control speed and rpm through throttle and WEP.

Some experienced flyers of the 190's series discussed using manual pitch on the 190s some time ago on this forum. My question is if there are any combat advantages in switching to manual? I'm a frequent user of manual pitch control on the Bf 109's but it works differenly on the FW's. Are there any gains whatsoever, like better climb, acceleration etc? The only benefit I could think of is for improved cruise economy, not for combat.

Furthermore, there is some sort of warning with the A4, saying that if you switch to manual during flight, you are stuck in an "emergency mode" and have to remain with the manual control for the rest of the flight. Never figured that one out.

All input on this are welcome.

Thanks,
Johnny Ramone<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anton series AC will gain a substantial extra power with prop in manual, but beware thet the plane will not be "imune to overheat" anymore

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p1ngu666
09-14-2004, 06:16 AM
i use 95% pitch.
on the f8 wid bombs u need the extra umpf
i switch to auto if i im gonna go over 500kph so i dont fry engine

100%pitcch in im REALLY in trouble, only a tiny increase over 95%

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joeap
09-14-2004, 08:29 AM
Actually the real 190s had auto prop only. You can't switch back to auto once you go to manual in the sim in the FW.

Atomic_Marten
09-14-2004, 09:27 AM
You can switch between auto/manual all the time in game. Ta152, Fw190, Bf109 you name it. Every time when Fw overheats, I back it up to auto prop.pitch. And of course lower throttle level. I avoid to use manual prop.pitch set on 100% when in any kind of diving. Bird will overheat insanely.

BTW if you set prop.pitch 100% and do a shallow dive with boost+110% throttle, and then switch to "Fly by" view, it is fun to watch that &gt;high number of RPM&lt; sound. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
09-14-2004, 09:56 AM
Hi,

I use manual PP in the 190 to effect sharp exits and, as said, it only takes a few minutes to overheat but you are usually safely clear of even persistent bandits by then.

Be careful with manual PP in a high speed dive; the engine sounds good http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but I've over-revved it to destruction on one occasion. In fact, the engine revs were so high pitched, I shattered a glass decanter 3 miles away http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And, I've never seen it where the PP does not revert to auto correctly.

Ta,
Norris

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3.JG51_Stecher
09-14-2004, 10:48 AM
For those reading this that don't know, don't carry it over to the Dora. It isn't as safe to use manual in that bird, and it is actually faster with auto pitch.

For the Antons, I always use 100% manual pitch. The only danger from overreving with this is in a dive with the A-5/6. For that just throttle down a few percent, no big deal. As for overheating, you can run at 100% pitch, 100% throttle, radiator closed, C-3 injection on just fine as long as you're fast. Give or take a couple percent for map temp and speed. If you've overheated from firewalling it, you can go to low 100s throttle and open radiator. I never touch the pitch after going 100% manual. I haven't tested max continuous speed, seeing whether a full pitch with lower throttle, or full throttle with lower pitch is faster. Yet.

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3.JG51_Stecher
09-14-2004, 12:45 PM
Under official test conditions, the A-6 can stay cool at 101% throttle, 100% pitch, radiator closed, boosted. Changing pitch to 80% allows throttle increase to 102%, but yields same exact speed, 563 km/h TAS. So basically any high manual setting will be virtually the same. Going full throttle the engine was still overheating at 50% pitch, and was going much much slower. It seems overheating is linked almost entirely to throttle setting, not prop pitch, even with significant RPM change.

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NorrisMcWhirter
09-14-2004, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_Stecher:
Under official test conditions, the A-6 can stay cool at 101% throttle, 100% pitch, radiator closed, boosted. Changing pitch to 80% allows throttle increase to 102%, but yields same exact speed, 563 km/h TAS. So basically any high manual setting will be virtually the same. Going full throttle the engine was still overheating at 50% pitch, and was going much much slower. It seems overheating is linked almost entirely to throttle setting, not prop pitch, even with significant RPM change.

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Thanks for the info. I never have done a precise test but I nearly always run the A6 at 100% throttle, boost and 100% man pp when trying to outpace something....and never overheated it. Then again, I had the rad slightly open.

Have you a similar test for the A9? A8 is out of favour with me due to that fuel bug.

Cheers,
Norris

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EFG_Zeb
09-14-2004, 04:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_Stecher:
For those reading this that don't know, don't carry it over to the Dora. It isn't as safe to use manual in that bird, and it is actually faster with auto pitch.

For the Antons, I always use 100% manual pitch. The only danger from overreving with this is in a dive with the A-5/6. For that just throttle down a few percent, no big deal. As for overheating, you can run at 100% pitch, 100% throttle, radiator closed, C-3 injection on just fine as long as you're fast. Give or take a couple percent for map temp and speed. If you've overheated from firewalling it, you can go to low 100s throttle and open radiator. I never touch the pitch after going 100% manual. I haven't tested max continuous speed, seeing whether a full pitch with lower throttle, or full throttle with lower pitch is faster. Yet.

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At last somebody that's flying the same aircraft as I...Thanks Stecher! I was begining to believe I had a different Anton than some people in this thread!! Some people really need to try aircrafts before they post about it!

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EFG_Zeb
09-14-2004, 04:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jurinko:
switch to manual changes the engine/prop system to constant prop system (like on russian or allied planes).

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Wrong! Even switched to manual, the prop of a FW 190 A or D will not behave like a CSP system in the game. Try it! RPM will still be linked to throttle... Watch your gauges...

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3.JG51_Stecher
09-14-2004, 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Have you a similar test for the A9?
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The A-9 can stay cool at 102% throttle under same conditions. It hits 583 km/h TAS with 100% pitch and at 80% pitch speed decreases 2 km/h. By the way, I'm referring to sea level speeds here.

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