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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:04 AM
Sorry for having so many naive questions. I'm new to FB but very interested at learning how to enjoy it. :-) Last night I did my first online play at greatergreen (www.greatergreen.com (http://www.greatergreen.com)) and was absolutely thrilled. It feels incredible, like I'm right in a real battlefield, even given I only have a 56k modem at home.

I'm planning to stick with it for a while until I get pretty good at online dogfighting. I know there is a thing called hyperlobby where you can fine more servers to play online. But I may check it out later. I'd appreciate some comments about greatergreen from you guys. Is it in general a good place to start learning online fighting?

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:04 AM
Sorry for having so many naive questions. I'm new to FB but very interested at learning how to enjoy it. :-) Last night I did my first online play at greatergreen (www.greatergreen.com (http://www.greatergreen.com)) and was absolutely thrilled. It feels incredible, like I'm right in a real battlefield, even given I only have a 56k modem at home.

I'm planning to stick with it for a while until I get pretty good at online dogfighting. I know there is a thing called hyperlobby where you can fine more servers to play online. But I may check it out later. I'd appreciate some comments about greatergreen from you guys. Is it in general a good place to start learning online fighting?

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:08 AM
All in all it's a great place to fly.

Most of the players are decent guys that will shoot you in the back of the head with lots of mercy! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Welcome!

Hope to see you in the skies.

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adlabs6
10-07-2003, 01:09 AM
GreaterGreen is nice. I like the settings, and the scripted missions are nice also.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:35 AM
Thank you guys for the reply. I don't have too much time to play but I really love this online play thing. Playing with human pilots is such a thrill. And I'm amazed my mere 56k modem can handle the play very well. Well, I'm living at SF which is just across the bay from where greatergreen sever is. Guess that helps a bit too.

BTW, can you check you ping time during the online play?

Right now my ID is "ICE" at GG. But I'm now quite clumsy on typing the chats while flying, so I may not be very responsive in chat channels. :-)

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:37 AM
greatergreen is definatly the best full real server and its always fast and reliable, see this post makes me want to go fly there now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:39 AM
yhong wrote:

- BTW, can you check you ping time during the online
- play?
-
- Yang


press the "S" on the keyboard that will tell u who is playing and what there ping is.
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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:59 AM
I hear lots of good things about Greater Green. I tried playing on there and was met with nothing but contempt for my "lack of piloting skills" and team support was slim to nil.

When you played on a full real server, I figured that I would fly out, form up with at least one other player and head for the battle. Instead, I discovered that everyone does pretty much what everyone on other servers do (with rare exception all around) and charges headlong into battle without wingman, without interest in support of said wingmate, instead hoping to outwit an entire group of similarly disorganized players from the other side.

I figured that since I cannot look around outside of my plane, which I normally do to pass the time between targets, view the landscape, and generaly gaze at the really cool plane I'm flying, I instead am limited to an internal view...definately realistic, but also limiting in that I can't really see everything and thus, using WWII pilot tactics, rely on the help of teammates to help cover me. I think I was jumped several times, with teammates clear around, with no warning at all. Said teammates were also indeed chasing the guy on my tail...but were content to let me get shot down...

I thought I would voice my frusterating in the attempt to get some positive feedback that this indeed is not the style of play that is usually prevalent on the server as my experiences were limited. I don't really feel like going back...but I can be convinced otherwise http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In the meantime, TX and FAST are great servers...albeit on UBI.com instead.

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10-07-2003, 01:59 AM
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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:01 AM
Thanks! BTW, is that true that greatergreen's diffculty setting is one of the highest among online severs? At least they still allow speed bar. I can't imagine playing without it. Although putting icons on enemy planes would be nice for me as a beginner, I found having icons on friendly planes is kind of good enough.

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:06 AM
For me I'd say it's the best online server. I love the stats and the people are pretty cool there. When I can't get into their server I usually just go do something else. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DangerForward

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:11 AM
I do feel the same thing, although currently I'd be a drag to anyone who would team with me. :-)

But I guess one reason for lacking of team support probably is due to the difficulty in communication. Typing messages is way too slow and disruptive (or at least that is how I feel), unless everyone is using voice chat. Does greatergreen have voice chat? I probably can't use it anyway or my wife will be getting mad at me quickly. :-)

Ok, another naive question, how can I tell a chat message is specific for me or the "ARMY" or "ALL"?



VW-IceFire wrote:
- I hear lots of good things about Greater Green. I
- tried playing on there and was met with nothing but
- contempt for my "lack of piloting skills" and team
- support was slim to nil.

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:24 AM
VW-IceFire wrote:
- I hear lots of good things about Greater Green. I
- tried playing on there and was met with nothing but
- contempt for my "lack of piloting skills" and team
- support was slim to nil.
-

Unquestionably best server so far.

IceFire, don't judge GG guys just after some sightseeing.

If you're dead in GG unexpectedly, they were hunter and you were prey. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Those hunters always use tactics what you refer to & they're always silent on chat box cause they use voice comm.
(so silent that prey think every others fly by themselves.)


Edit: GR -> GG /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Message Edited on 10/07/0310:52AM by TooCooL34

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:36 AM
GG is the best all around server I have found, settings and missions are 2nd to none

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:55 AM
VW-IceFire wrote:
- I hear lots of good things about Greater Green. I
- tried playing on there and was met with nothing but
- contempt for my "lack of piloting skills" and team
- support was slim to nil.
-
- When you played on a full real server, I figured
- that I would fly out, form up with at least one
- other player and head for the battle. Instead, I
- discovered that everyone does pretty much what
- everyone on other servers do (with rare exception
- all around) and charges headlong into battle without
- wingman, without interest in support of said
- wingmate, instead hoping to outwit an entire group
- of similarly disorganized players from the other
- side.
-
- I figured that since I cannot look around outside of
- my plane, which I normally do to pass the time
- between targets, view the landscape, and generaly
- gaze at the really cool plane I'm flying, I instead
- am limited to an internal view...definately
- realistic, but also limiting in that I can't really
- see everything and thus, using WWII pilot tactics,
- rely on the help of teammates to help cover me. I
- think I was jumped several times, with teammates
- clear around, with no warning at all. Said
- teammates were also indeed chasing the guy on my
- tail...but were content to let me get shot down...

I think on GreaterGreen you need to earn a little respect before the vets fall all over themselves protecting you. Now that I've played there for a while I'm pretty confident that dudes like Thunderbolt and Madoka will clear my six if I drag for them. Trying help some pilots is the best way to get shot down. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Ofcourse the safest people to fly with are from your own squad.

DangerForward

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 03:20 AM
S! Dangerforward! Thanks for the nice words. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I frequently find myself flying on the server without a squady and usually look for other regulars whose style I'm familiar with to wing up.

Yes we ( =TgD= ) do use coms most of the time and that frees up our hands to fly our planes. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Our URL is in my sig, but here's a hotlink: http://www.greatergreen.com/il2/

In the sidebar on our homepage is lots of info.

stop by and say hi.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 04:15 AM
I love it....except that damn Mountain map...God I hate that map...far too much AA, and it runs like a hog. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 04:28 AM
yhong wrote:
- I do feel the same thing, although currently I'd be
- a drag to anyone who would team with me. :-)

I'll team up with you anytime. Is "yhong" your online handle? If so I will look for you.

- Ok, another naive question, how can I tell a chat
- message is specific for me or the "ARMY" or "ALL"?

If it's for "MY ARMY" only those on the same 'team' (red or blue) will see the message. (i.e. if you're 'red' and the message was sent by a 'red' player to "MY ARMY" on those flying 'red' will see it. If the message was sent to "ALL" everyone in the server will see it.)

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Hawgdog
10-07-2003, 04:31 AM
The best thing is the NO-FEAR server attitude. Its the ONLY server I've flown in that, in one of the maps, offers the P.11 as the main red plane! Gotta love that. Very flexible. I'd like to see a severe weather map.
Overall its a good server, above average to be certain.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 04:41 AM
GreaterGreen is an awesome server, if you like the realism settings set to difficult, and I do. Being somewhat still a rookie, I think it levels the skies for me. But there are several great servers out there with realism settings set for easier flight. I've tried and fly on six or seven different servers. Not only to check the maps and FR's out, but to fly with and hopefully develop friendships and/or trust of other pilots. Also to learn from them. But my favorite so far is GG followed closely by TX-OC3. Virtual Pilots 1 & 2 are good and they offer a comms hook up. I started flying on Ubi pretty exclusively, until I found out about HL. I still fly on Ubi ocassionally, but I like HL. Stick with what feels right to you and don't be timid about trying other servers. S!

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:07 AM
I had to skip a bunch of posts to type something relevant to fire-ice's first post. I have a friend in a different city that I fly online with, and we frequently try to fly together. One night, we were doing torpedo runs in He-111s, and we formed a sort of makeshift wing of bombers with two other people that we didn't know. I'll admit, one of them was the type of wanker that you described, but it was the first time I had ever properly flown in a bomber formation, and I was thrilled by it. We did some monstrous damage to some cargo ships, and it was awesome practice flying in formation. I think it's a shame that it's not like that every time, but what can you do.

The other thing I like about GG is that if you decide to bomb things, you can be tactical about how you get there. Maybe flying low is safest, or maybe just below the clouds. Or in the clouds. Or maybe way above the clouds. You can choose, and you don't have to worry about people spotting you with the external padlock view (if you let me, I will use that one to death).

All in all, it's my favorite server. Not always what I'm in the mood for, but I've never been disappointed.

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:30 AM
Generally it's good, and I support most things that have been stated in this thread, but too often I have experienced the following:

I join; I see that there is a mission running with a planeset I like. I take off, I gain altitude, I gain more altitude; it takes some time; I make a wide detour to approach the enemy base without being detected. There I am, ready to attack...

Suddenly the server says: Red won - New map loading. Unfortunately it's the map with the planeset I don't like.

I have wasted quite a lot of time with missions like that. I'd prefer to have servers with games that have the same quality as Greatergreen, but last longer and concentrate on one period.


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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 08:01 AM
occasionally murdoc evol and i will pop in a full real server like greater green. i have to say the settings arent as fun as with externals and no cockpit . BUT... full real with teamates is much easier to dominate in without ever dying. and i mean never. two wingmen on voicecoms with you in full real is really unfair to guys without wingmen. we can fly 24 hours without dying once.same with other squads. to give non squad pilots a fighting chance you have to activate external views at minimum and also no cockpit if you want to fly the fw and planes like it that have no view out the windscreen. i have flown in t6 texans and pipers and full real is not real at all. and horribly handicaps non squad pilots who become sitting ducks. its a change for sure from the same old same old games but most i think would like externals and such

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 08:13 AM
Hi Beebop-PBNA, thanks for the offer! My handle at GG is "ICE". Is yours "Beebop-PBNA"? Will be nice to see you there next time.

As my quesion to chat, what I'm wonder is when I see a message in red (assume I'm in Red Army) saying "check 6". How do I know it's for me or for someone else?

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 08:17 AM
RedDeth, I agree a lot with you said. However I think external view will spoil the fun quite bit. But I agree the cockpit view like 190 is horrible comparing to La-5/7. I personaly think it's very unfair when these two fight each other with full cockpit on. Cockpit off option would be a good idea to make things even.

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 08:18 AM
GG is a great server, period.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 08:28 AM
No Cockpit is lame. 'nuff said, leave that to the dF, furball servers.

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 09:05 AM
Yes greatergreen is known to have more "difficult" settings. The good thing is is that the playing field is leveled in a way. Also you can practice tactics the same as they were practiced in different times. No icons means you can escape or suprise someone. As far as the speedbar goes if you were on about 4 months ago there was none. At first it was mass confusion then we all learned to read the gauges. Funny now that the speedbar has returned I never look at it.
The team tactics really does make the game play on gg and other scripted servers stand out. However teamplay is sporadic depending on who is on. Sometimes its a free for all loose game and sometimes it can get quite coordinated. Depends on who is on and what their mood is. Its true that if you are a new player that no one recognises you are not going to automagically get a wingman. Its also hard to be a wingman without coms as typing is far to slow. Just by sticking close to other players and communicating status information will let everyone know you are up for team play should they decide to participate too. If you want coms just go to teamspeak and set up a channel on one of the public servers and announce it on gg, someone is sure to want to join.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 09:28 AM
I like the Greater Green server - a nice map set, good choice of planes (its not always the 'best' planes, but they are always a challenge to fly).

Best of all is the nice sense of community there. Granted, you get the occasional a$$hat who comes in and talks nonsense, but the regulars are all cool.



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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 11:37 AM
Flying in it the other night. Pretty good and a little different to the usual fare. Like the realistic settings, like no externals or icons and full CEM. As I'm a padlock user, I only use bombers where it is not available and avoid dogfight situations like the plauge. Guess this keeps me out of participating in things like VEF also.

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 11:43 AM
I love the server and settz. Excellent and keep up the good work!
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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:10 PM
GreaterGreen is an excellent server and I sometimes fly it. But it`s a `free-for-all` type of server meaning that although it has COOP-type missions, you tend to be playing with allsorts.

As a result you`ll often get people who simply don`t care about teamwork and will just play for the points, etc.

If you`re lucky (as I have been) you`ll bump into a group who`ll communicate and actually try to work together and that`s what makes GG even better.

For real teamwork bring your squadmates or maybe go COOP or VEF.

Still, overall its good for a blast.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:15 PM
I have to say that of all the FB Dogfight servers I have played on, GG is simply the best. VirtualPilots_1/2 come a close second, but the "your plane shows on the map" feature turned on pulls GG to the top in my book.

In short, I like the difficulty settings, pretty much all of the plane sets and maps (even though some of them seem like they were designed by former members of the NKVD...), but what I really like is the competitive and yet very relaxed atmosphere that I always see at the server.

To those complaining about lack of team work: sometimes there is teamwork (usually on the Axis side), sometimes not. Not a big deal, it's a DF server anyway - people will sometimes just want to have a quick no-brains fun f(l)ight before going back to their organized VOW or VEF squadrons. Most of the time I myself want to fly a bomber or jabo mission (their maps are especially good for that), but after getting blasted down from sky for the umpteenth time by the hax0ring naval AAA, I grab some agile VVS plane and fly Extreme Furball for a few minutes before getting blasted from the sky.

So repeat after me: "GG is good for you, GG will make your life better, GG is almighty and if something is wrong on the GG, it's the Republicans' fault <makes Jedi Mind Trick Move with his hand>".

Tylymiez, these days online as TietoPredator.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:24 PM
I like GreaterGreen. The planesets are varied but always fun, and the realism settings are just what I like.
Teamwork is, unfortunately, problematic. First of all communication is difficult, as well as I think most of the less "professional" players are just too impatient to wait for someone to form up with.
I have, however, had some great experiences on there working as a team. My first time on, I met a couple of guys from the "Screaming Hornets" flying IL-2s. I offered to escort them, and before you knew it I was diving down on a bogey attacking them. Even though I was inexperienced with the La-5, and therefore started losing parts of the plane as a result of the fast dive, I managed to get on the guy's six and it was a great feeling shooting him down and knowing I helped them escape.

yhong wrote:
- Hi Beebop-PBNA, thanks for the offer! My handle at
- GG is "ICE". Is yours "Beebop-PBNA"? Will be nice to
- see you there next time.
-
- As my quesion to chat, what I'm wonder is when I see
- a message in red (assume I'm in Red Army) saying
- "check 6". How do I know it's for me or for someone
- else?
-

You don't. They'll usually say who they're referring to. But if they don't, just do a quick "check 6" just in case.

Oh, and yhong - I now regularly fly on GG, so you're liable to meet me there sooner or later. My handle there is also AirBot.
Admittedly, I'm not the greatest pilot, but I would love to fly a formation with you someday.

See you in the sky!

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:54 PM
yhong wrote:
- Hi Beebop-PBNA, thanks for the offer! My handle at
- GG is "ICE". Is yours "Beebop-PBNA"? Will be nice to
- see you there next time.

On ubi (I seldom go there anymore) I'm Beebop-PBNA but on HL I'm PBNA-Beebop. I switched the handle around as it helps our squad (Proud Birds of North America) identify each other quickly upon entering HL. I'm a West-Coaster and tend to fly around 7-8 PM PDT (GMT-8:00)

Well "ICE" I'll look for you and Airbot on GG. Maybe we can form a temporary "wing" and fly together. BTW do you have voice comms? (Teamspeak 2)

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 05:30 AM
I fly there most of the time. I have been flying on their server since IL/2, and even when they had the server on UBI. It is the server that got me flying on harder settings. The thing I like the most about the new server is it makes you fly planes you would not normally fly.

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Sammie22
10-08-2003, 08:52 AM
yhong, pop on the greatergreen forums and say hello. Once people get to know you, you will find some mates and be forming up in no time. I can't stress enough how important it is to have a wingman in flight, and if voice communication is possible, setup that too. Regarding learning to fly, it's all personal preference. The settings on greatergreen teach you how to fly a certain way, while other settings will teach you how to fly other ways. They all have their advantages and disadvantages, and to say one is easier than the other is comparing apples to oranges. You have to learn the settings and environment, and use it to your advantage.

Thanks for the kind words, and happy hunting all,
Sammie

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 08:52 AM
Great server, but I stoppped flying there when they got rid of friendly icons. Icons aren't a realism setting IMO, they are a difficulty setting. I find I get a headache after about an hour straining my eyes constantly trying to see what the heck is going on. If they had padlock, so you could at least zoom in quickly to identify a plane, that would be nice. But that brings in tons of other issues, some people using it as a detector even if they didnt spot a plane in the first place, etc... Having friendly icons at about 2k is ideal for me.

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Sammie22
10-08-2003, 09:08 AM
HamTyler wrote:
- I like the Greater Green server - a nice map set,
- good choice of planes (its not always the 'best'
- planes, but they are always a challenge to fly).
-
- Best of all is the nice sense of community there.
- Granted, you get the occasional a$$hat who comes in
- and talks nonsense, but the regulars are all cool.
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- Ham_Tyler - the amazing human lawndart!

Don't hesitate to let me, or any member of TGD know about someone that is disturbing the server and ruining the fun for others. I would be more than happy to take care of these types of issues...

Sammie

Sammie22
10-08-2003, 09:10 AM
Blade_X_ wrote:
- I love it....except that damn Mountain map...God I
- hate that map...far too much AA, and it runs like a
- hog. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
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It was removed from the rotation a few days ago. Many people had issues with this map. It was cpu intensive I guess.

Sammie

Sammie22
10-08-2003, 09:12 AM
plumps_ wrote:
- Generally it's good, and I support most things that
- have been stated in this thread, but too often I
- have experienced the following:
-
- I join; I see that there is a mission running with a
- planeset I like. I take off, I gain altitude, I gain
- more altitude; it takes some time; I make a wide
- detour to approach the enemy base without being
- detected. There I am, ready to attack...
-
- Suddenly the server says: Red won - New map loading.
- Unfortunately it's the map with the planeset I don't
- like.
-
- I have wasted quite a lot of time with missions like
- that. I'd prefer to have servers with games that
- have the same quality as Greatergreen, but last
- longer and concentrate on one period.

Yeah I know that can be frustrating. I have had it happen to me quite a few times. But it's the price you pay to have an objective based server. Personally, I think the tradeoff is well worth it.

Sammie

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 09:27 AM
the server will be even better when Bernie gets the "vote nextmap" command working

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 09:33 AM
Pretty good - like the settings with very limited planes but I'd like to see more ground objects.

S!

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 10:49 AM
VW-IceFire wrote:
- I hear lots of good things about Greater Green. I
- tried playing on there and was met with nothing but
- contempt for my "lack of piloting skills" and team
- support was slim to nil.
-
- When you played on a full real server, I figured
- that I would fly out, form up with at least one
- other player and head for the battle. Instead, I
- discovered that everyone does pretty much what
- everyone on other servers do (with rare exception
- all around) and charges headlong into battle without
- wingman, without interest in support of said
- wingmate, instead hoping to outwit an entire group
- of similarly disorganized players from the other
- side.

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There are always a few who behave badly but dont pay any attention to them, there are lots of desent guys frequenting GG (many newcomers nowadays)

I've flown on GG for some time now and often with Olli (olli72) and we have had lots of fun learning and testing tactics.
Yesterday I flew first time in a month or so bcause my other half is occupied for some months /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif and I dont enjoy flying without a wingmate. I tryed to find friendlies in trouble and lend a hand but my friendlies didnt "work" with me or didnt understand how to.( I did some bad judgements myself)


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Here is a tip on how to signal to a nearby friendly that u want to team up. Release coloured smoke 2 or 3 times (short puffs) or "waggle" your wings and if he agrees he will answer in same manor.( wont work if the other1 dont understand)


I prefer the finnish style with not so close formation and no leader, not as in german wingtactics with leader.I also prefer to fly behind and a bit lower to my vingmate so i can keep a better watch around and i often do turns to look behind. sometimes if long distance to fly "crossoverturns" is a good way to look behind eachothers 6 = when flying next to each other both turn in the direction of their mate and at same time looking backwards over shoulder = u just switch positions and scan behind your mate.

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If your "experienced" wingman is chased by an enemy dont just trail along in every turn and try to catch up. Your mate will most likely try to make the enemy bleed speed by making s-turns wich means that u can fly a straight path and easily catch up and if your wingman sees that u are in position he might risk making gentler turns so u can get a clear shot.

This might not work well the first time u fly together but if u are aware of this tactic u wont do worse.(dont give up after ur first attempt)


To warn a friendly under attack u can fire tracers in front of him ( dont hit ) or if u are in front of him and see enemies behind fire a short burst or make a braking turn in front of him to get your friends attention.



Dont be sad if u dont get written answers to questions( they might be occupied or lots of other reasosns)



I normally fly as Black 20 (on axis side)or always 20. and If any1 wants to fly with me giving the " signs " Ill probably agree, regardless of skill. Mostly I just end up behind someone and hang aruond so if u see me just let me know.

I dont keep scores or statistics so I often risk alot to help a friendly out, like wasting ammo to get an enemy of his 6.


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Remember that even aces do mistakes and screw up big time.
and some times tactics arnt applyable and u just act on instinct so alot of understanding is a must when u fly with "new" wingmates from many countries and skill levels.



Se u out there ! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 11:12 AM
Well I liked greater green for awhile with it's scripted missions, and pretty much full realism. However it was a free for all 90% of the time. I didn't run into any bad atitudes though, but occasinally one side or the other would use dirty tactics to win.

Especially on maps with no bombers or ground targets you get team vulching going on. Especially the winter one where the germans get ME-262's. As soon as they appeared everyone called out the airfield they were at and mercilessly straffed them to death. Even I admittingly joined in on the fun since they were the only available targets.

Yet I've gotten turned off to the free for all style of play, and Greatergreen has started running some maps I simply can't stand. One of them being in the mountains which is a cool map except it absolutely slaughters my frame rate. On top of that I have an LCD so my resolution isn't too great. It's very hard for me to spot enemy aircraft when I'm surrounded by green unless I catch them popping across a patch of blue sky.

So I've gone striclty VEF. I've found nothing but good sportsmanship. Teamwork is always present in some form or another. Even though you have a few who refuse to work as a team.
It's like an online campaign as you keep you stats from mission to mission and can directly affect the war. You can check the daily tactical, air superiority, and troop maps to get an idea of hot spots.

The only thing I don't like is that the OKL are losing I believe mainly due to a large number of untrained 109 pilots. I'm no super pilot but when there's 4 of us in F2's, and 2 of them in I-16's and I get two kills that says alot. Mainly because all of the newer pilots try to turn fight, and get slaughtered.

Yet there's nothing I love more than BnZ'ing a Sturmovik only to climb, and come back down and around for another pass to see two more of my wingmen doing the same thing.

That's teamwork, and good tactics, and makes it hard to impossible for most VVS pilots to engage any of the 109's. To dive in behind one only means putting another on your tail. The one thing a VVS pilot really has to fear is being on a 109's tail with another 109 coming for him.

If he stays with the 109 the other will certainly get him. So if he's smart he'll break off his attack to avoid yours. Now he's got two mad 109's hunting him.

Plus it seems to calculate kills better. For example if I hammer away on a Strumovik, and then a wingman comes in with a short burst and deals the final blow. I get the kill. Which sounds off but prevents kill stealing. Which means you don't see a lot of smoke chasers in the VEF.
You do but only if they're the last surviving enemy. Then it's not for a kill as you won't get it, but just to make them lose a plane and pilot.

Also on the Strumovik's the F2's guns suck, and 4 109's attacking 4 Sturmovik's will many times result in only 3 dead Sturmovik's, and 4 109's out of ammo and running for home.

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fluke39
10-08-2003, 11:21 AM
greatergreen was the best server on UBI and i used to fly there alot but now it's moved(back?) to HL, and i don't have HL installed, i don't fly there/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 06:10 PM
Great server. I don't fly it much, though, because of no padlock (constant thumb-jockeying is annoying, unrealistic, and aggravating to carpal tunnel syndrome). I imagine it's a awesome server for TrackIR users, though. Perfect settings if you've got the tech to match.

There was a server called "forgottenserver" up on HL over the weekend that had the almost ideal full real settings. Lots of BnZ action, some great teamwork (since you can ID your teammates) and the fights didn't all occur over the airbases (since that's where people automatically go w/ no icons).

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 07:14 PM
fluke39 wrote:
- greatergreen was the best server on UBI and i used
- to fly there alot but now it's moved(back?) to HL,
- and i don't have HL installed, i don't fly there


Hey fluke39, Come on back. You can always join via direct IP. it's : 209.209.44.54:21000

Or you can simply load HL. It's quick and painless /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I often times don't see us (greatergreen) on HL only to try direct IP and find the server up and running. When this happens, it's usually only a short while before we can get word to Sammie or Badbernie to reboot it.

As Sammie stated earlier, stop by the GG website and read the forums. If you go to the "server/player stats" link on the homepage it'll give you the players currently on the server as well as which map and what side they're flying on.

I fly off and on throughout the week, but try to spend more time on Wednesday and Sunday. Stop by and say hi.


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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 07:31 PM
GreaterGreen is the shiznit!!! Fly there all the time!! Great settings...

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