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ElAurens
09-05-2004, 08:03 AM
It would be good to remember that some of the most down and dirty action in the Pacific war was fought by the USAAF and RAAF in New Guinea. They fought agianst both the IJN and IJAAF in some of the most difficult conditions encountered anywhere in WW2. Both sides had not only to deal with each other, but with sweltering jungle conditions, disease, and shortages of supplys of all kinds.

I for one really look forward to this area of operations.

And the CBI as well...

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ElAurens
09-05-2004, 08:03 AM
It would be good to remember that some of the most down and dirty action in the Pacific war was fought by the USAAF and RAAF in New Guinea. They fought agianst both the IJN and IJAAF in some of the most difficult conditions encountered anywhere in WW2. Both sides had not only to deal with each other, but with sweltering jungle conditions, disease, and shortages of supplys of all kinds.

I for one really look forward to this area of operations.

And the CBI as well...

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VF-11 Vadger
09-05-2004, 08:09 AM
double post

VF-11 Vadger
09-05-2004, 08:09 AM
well if we wanted to fly from land bases why bother getting PF?

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IV_JG51_Prien
09-05-2004, 08:16 AM
Vadger:

Because just as was pointed out, the Pacific War wasn't fought just from carriers.

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Tater-SW-
09-05-2004, 08:28 AM
Kenney's kids, woot!

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VFA-195 Snacky
09-05-2004, 09:36 AM
ok, and? are you anti Navy or sumtin?lol
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IV_JG51_Prien:
Vadger:

Because just as was pointed out, the Pacific War wasn't fought just from carriers.

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Tater-SW-
09-05-2004, 09:48 AM
Me, I'm stoked for some 5th Air Force action, even though to me it's all about the blue planes! &lt;G&gt;

Wanting/liking land-based PTO stuff isn't anti-navy, they're not mutually exclusive. Besides, the Marines flew from land as well.

tater

arcadeace
09-05-2004, 09:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElAurens:
It would be good to remember that some of the most down and dirty action in the Pacific war was fought by the USAAF and RAAF in New Guinea. They fought agianst both the IJN and IJAAF in some of the most difficult conditions encountered anywhere in WW2. Both sides had not only to deal with each other, but with sweltering jungle conditions, disease, and shortages of supplys of all kinds.

I for one really look forward to this area of operations.

And the CBI as well...
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Good post and reminder. Carriers certainly have their place and after playing FB for so long now they're a novelty to look forward to, but much of the Pacific war was from island land bases.

I have no doubt after having some fun with the carriers I'll be looking forward to land based action just as much.

Owlsphone
09-05-2004, 09:58 AM
I don't know which I'm looking forward to most - The fact that I'll be able to takeoff/land from a carrier or the attempts to sink a carrier with a wall of lead being shot at me. Sounds like fun http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
09-05-2004, 10:29 AM
FP only needs US Navy and IJ NAVY transport ships to transport USMC and IJM aircraft to land bases.

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ElAurens
09-05-2004, 11:59 AM
You Navy types are so sensitive.

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Latico
09-05-2004, 12:09 PM
Here's the thing. Not all will be able to master trap landings and those that don't will still be able to participate from land bases.

I for one look foward to fly from both.

Also, at times Carrier pilots had to operate from landbases temporarily while their carrier was in for repairs. Or in the case of their carrier was sunk, they may have to operate from landbases until re-assigned to another carrier.

IV_JG51_Prien
09-05-2004, 12:12 PM
ME? ANTI NAVY?

No.

I'm IN THE NAVY.

Nevertheless I was still agreeing that the pacific war was not just fought from carriers. The USAAF bled the same blood that the USN did.

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WereSnowleopard
09-05-2004, 12:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VF-11 Vadger:
well if we wanted to fly from land bases why bother getting PF?

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Ummmm...I guess is because of IJN lost their carriers also it is more island-ish than land-ish so it is more like fight over Pacific ocean. Also most pilots have to trained to navigating and emergency over ocean. Ummmm?

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Snowleopard

Air_Hog
09-05-2004, 02:52 PM
Isn't New Guinea where the USAAF landed L-2 Bird Dogs on thatched runways stretched across the tipple canopy jungle. Now that would be a fun addition to the game.

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Reschke
09-05-2004, 10:10 PM
Hey now not every USN fighter squadron had the opportunity to fly from carriers. VF-17 managed to get their carrier base taken from them because they were the only Corsair squadron in the USN at the time of deployment so those guys had to take supplies from the Marines when the Navy kicked them off the Bunker Hill.

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Copperhead310th
09-05-2004, 11:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElAurens:
It would be good to remember that some of the most down and dirty action in the Pacific war was fought by the USAAF and RAAF in New Guinea. They fought agianst both the IJN and IJAAF in some of the most difficult conditions encountered anywhere in WW2. Both sides had not only to deal with each other, but with sweltering jungle conditions, disease, and shortages of supplys of all kinds.

I for one really look forward to this area of operations.

And the CBI as well...

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THANK YOU EL! I've been thining the same damn thing. You just put it much more eloquently than i could. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Giganoni
09-06-2004, 01:22 AM
Yep, I personally don't really care about the carriers as much as the island fights. I'm a little IJAAF fan and nothin' sounds as fun to me as strapping my malaria ridden body into a weathered Ki-43 II that might just have enough armor to take a couple .50 cal hits as I try to avoid 4 or 5 Hellcats. Who wouldn't want to do that?

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Snootles
09-06-2004, 01:25 AM
I'm looking forward to it all. But especially the carrier bit since I've never done that in a sim. Sure, I have LoMAC and F/A-18 but those are 60 years removed from this experience...

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I JG3 Troz
09-06-2004, 05:24 AM
Quick! someone call Oleg and tell him forget the carriers! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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ElAurens
09-06-2004, 09:34 AM
Guys, you really confound me sometimes.

I'm not at all saying that I don't like the carriers. I'm saying that there will be more to PF than just blue planes slaughtering Zeros in 1944. Lots more. So are you guys saying you won't fly P40s over Rangoon with the AVG? Or strap on the last Ki 61 at your field to go up one more time agianst the Aussie P40s? Don't limit yourselves gents.

But I gueuss a man does have to know his limitations... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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Obi_Kwiet
09-06-2004, 08:43 PM
Dude! Resize your sig!

unseen84
09-06-2004, 09:19 PM
Although I'm looking forward to flying from both carriers & PTO land bases, the prospect of taking part in carrier battles is main reason I want PF. Count me as a naval type if you want, but my biggest fear is that the naval aspects of this game will get neglected and it will be about nothing more than DF'ing. I don't want the carriers to just be a "novelty." If they're going to do it, do it right.

I still want to fly with the AVG and the Cactus Air Force, etc., but the carriers are really where its at for me.

chris455
09-06-2004, 11:07 PM
The USAAF and the RAAF did plenty to make rising sun finally set.
Carrier battles were few and far between after Midway, until late '44, whilst the savage air combats over Guadalcanal and New Guinea did much to decide the ultimate outcome of the conflict.

Read "Fire In the Sky" by Bergerud.
Or "Kearby's Thunderbolts" by Stanaway.
Or "Twelve to One" by Thomas B McGuire himself.
Or a hundred other works about the contribution of land based airpower in the Pacific.

It might be 6 months or more before I even try a US Navy campaign, with so many beautiful Army Air Force ships to fly- and so many beautiful Japanese planes to cut to ribbons with my hot .50's!

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horseback
09-07-2004, 10:49 AM
Re: the Marines being stationed ashore, it's a well known fact that the REAL reason the Corps was exiled to the islands had nothing to do with the Corsair's landing characteristics. Squadrons were landbased if their personnel were caught hogging the ice cream available on the mess decks!

VF-17s CO, Tommy Blackburn, was an especially notorious snarfer of Rocky Road...so it was off to the islands with him and his unit, Navy or not.

Rumor has it that the P-47 drivers of the 318th FG decimated the ice cream supplies on the carriers taking them and their Jugs to Saipan, leading to a partincularly hard-fought Army-Navy game that Fall...

cheers

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WOLFMondo
09-07-2004, 10:58 AM
Good story!

Me personally Im looking for some RAF P47 and Beaufighter action over Burma!

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chris455
09-07-2004, 12:53 PM
The RAF flew Jugs (called 'em Thunderbolt IIs) over India as well.
The Jug also saw service with the Air Commandos
in Burma.

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JG53Frankyboy
09-07-2004, 03:01 PM
all these dreams are depending on the maps that are comming.

BSS_Vidar
09-07-2004, 03:34 PM
Thnx anyways for the reminder El. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif
But I don't think anyone on this board ever though that the entire PTO was fought from flat-tops M8.
I'm looking forward to flying Wildcats out of Henderson Field trolling for Zekes and Vals up the Slot.

BSS_Vidar

Baco-ECV56
09-07-2004, 03:38 PM
I Intend to fly the Michell a lot, And they did not operate from flat tops http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Well, onlly once http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Besides Corsairs didn´t operate that much from Flat tops till teh very end of the war either, their main intervention was from land bases right?

And I am not giving up my beloved P-38 just yet. I´m diying to try that H model.

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2004, 04:37 PM
I'll be lookin' for ya, Vidar.

Wildcat is my favorite game animal. Them's good eatin'.

BSS_Vidar
09-08-2004, 11:43 AM
I smell Bamboo and Rice paper burnin' all ready http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

CYA over the slot Stiglr! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

S!

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Dammerung
09-08-2004, 06:37 PM
I'm going to love putting your paper plane in my sights Stig http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Fliger747
09-08-2004, 07:18 PM
Barter is a system by which the value of something is determined by the free market. In the Pacific the 'value' of a Naval Aviator was pretty well pegged at "5 gallons" of ice cream.

It did give the plane guard destroyers some 'incentive'.

There were few carrier-carrier battles, but may actions involving strikes and fleet defense, the boys from the boat will be busy!

Beirut
09-08-2004, 08:11 PM
I like the part about "sweltering jungles and diseases".

I wonder if the malaria modelling will be done right. Will there be hallucinations and fever, or just barfing and shaking in the cockpit?

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Baco-ECV56
09-09-2004, 08:56 AM
Well I am more worried about the Typhoon modeling since malaria can take a pilot or two. A Typhoon my take your hole fleet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Or land base for that matter.