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avk111
02-21-2015, 09:47 AM
Greetings people,

My question is regarding the plot point in Assassin's Creed 2 , where Ezio Auditore was instructed by his father to find the hidden chest. Was the robes part of Giovanni's wish as well (to induct his son) ? or was it just coincidental that Ezio found it along the Letter and used the robes in order to hide among the public to deliver the letter (seeing as he is wanted by the authorities) ?

wvstolzing
02-21-2015, 09:57 AM
Doesn't he instruct him to take *everything* in the chest?

He might well have thought that would be his last chance to 'induct' Ezio.

But now that you mention it: When the Gonfaloniere (sp.) pronounces the death sentence on the scaffold, why do the three Auditores appear surprised? I mean, they each had a noose around their necks already.

DemonLord4lf
02-21-2015, 09:59 AM
Doesn't he instruct him to take *everything* in the chest?

He might well have thought that would be his last chance to 'induct' Ezio.

But now that you mention it: When the Gonfaloniere (sp.) pronounces the death sentence on the scaffold, why do the three Auditores appear surprised? I mean, they each had a noose around their necks already.

They thought their "friend" was going to set them free. IIRC

wvstolzing
02-21-2015, 10:01 AM
They thought their "friend" was going to set them free. IIRC

One hell of a suspense-loving friend that was.

DemonLord4lf
02-21-2015, 10:02 AM
One hell of a suspense-loving friend that was.

He was the medieval version of this

http://www.fastdecals.com/shop/images/detailed/3/trollface01_happyface.jpg

Fatal-Feit
02-21-2015, 03:37 PM
It's a plot hole.

Perk89
02-21-2015, 03:53 PM
Giovanni tells him to take everything in the chest. Not only does it make logical sense for him to put them on, it made sense from an emotional standpoint as his family had just been abducted and his father had told him something akin to "You're the last man standing," which we saw really weighed on Ezio and drove him forward.


it was an excellent characterization moment for him.

Assassin_M
02-21-2015, 09:24 PM
Giovanni tells him to take everything in the chest. Not only does it make logical sense for him to put them on, it made sense from an emotional standpoint as his family had just been abducted and his father had told him something akin to "You're the last man standing," which we saw really weighed on Ezio and drove him forward.


it was an excellent characterization moment for him.
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Sabutto
02-21-2015, 10:16 PM
^ tldr


@topic: I think it was just coincidence tbh lol.

But that scene when he puts on the robes then ezios family comes on epic moment

Assassin_M
02-22-2015, 12:17 AM
ezios family
Hearth*

SixKeys
02-22-2015, 01:57 AM
Hearth*

Is the track actually called "Earth" or "Heart"? I keep seeing both.

Assassin_M
02-22-2015, 02:02 AM
Is the track actually called "Earth" or "Heart"? I keep seeing both.
Same. No idea. I use Hearth as a combination of both.

ze_topazio
02-22-2015, 02:28 AM
Is the track actually called "Earth" or "Heart"? I keep seeing both.

Is called whatever you want to call it, that's the beauty of it, what a smart guy that Jesper.

ACfan443
02-22-2015, 03:22 AM
Is the track actually called "Earth" or "Heart"? I keep seeing both.

Same. No idea. I use Hearth as a combination of both.

'Tis Earth

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(That's not me he replied to by the way).

SixKeys
02-22-2015, 04:49 AM
Mystery solved. Thank you!

avk111
02-22-2015, 09:16 AM
Giovanni tells him to take everything in the chest. Not only does it make logical sense for him to put them on, it made sense from an emotional standpoint as his family had just been abducted and his father had told him something akin to "You're the last man standing," which we saw really weighed on Ezio and drove him forward.


it was an excellent characterization moment for him.


So what I understand is ... he was inducted by his father initially as an assassin ?

DemonLord4lf
02-22-2015, 09:23 AM
So what I understand is ... he was inducted by his father initially as an assassin ?

That was the idea before he got executed.

Namikaze_17
02-22-2015, 09:33 AM
So what I understand is ... he was inducted by his father initially as an assassin ?

He was truly inducted by Mario and the others in the end truth be told.

Whether Giovanni intended on giving the robes or not is unknown.

But in a way you could say he was as Giovanni told Ezio to "take everything you find inside".

DemonLord4lf
02-22-2015, 09:37 AM
He was truly inducted by Mario and the others in the end truth be told.

Whether Giovanni intended on giving the robes or not is unknown.

But in a way you could say he was as Giovanni told Ezio to "take everything you find inside".

Didn't he say something about inducting Ezio in the live action mini-series?

avk111
02-23-2015, 07:37 AM
Didn't he say something about inducting Ezio in the live action mini-series?


Not sure, however it implies that Ezio's eldest brother was aware of his father being an assassin, and the next to be inducted.


As for the whole concept of Ezio receiving the robes, after further analysis I observed that the reason Giovanni instructed Ezio to use them was to stay hidden/anonymous (function of the hood), the sword (a measure of self defense), Codex page (To keep it safe) , and the blade (Which was attached to the bracer/blade) until he was able to save his father and brothers from the execution by delivering the letter to their trusted ally. Who unbeknownst to them was a templar. Thus we can only conclude that Giovanni never intended for Ezio to be an Assassin only to use the robe as a concealment till he saved his family , which the events that happened later was a lost endeavor.

DemonLord4lf
02-23-2015, 07:40 AM
Not sure, however it implies that Ezio's eldest brother was aware of his father being an assassin, and the next to be inducted.


As for the whole concept of Ezio receiving the robes, after further analysis I observed that the reason Giovanni instructed Ezio to use them was to stay hidden/anonymous (function of the hood) and the sword (a measure of self defense) until he was able to save his father and brothers from the execution by delivering the letter to their trusted ally. Who unbeknownst to them was a templar. Thus we can only conclude that Giovanni never intended for Ezio to be an Assassin only to use the robe as a concealment till he saved his family , which the events that happened later was a lost endeavor.

Sounds about right.

VoldR
02-23-2015, 10:34 AM
I just think its either cumbersome to carry around and might as well just wear it or he just saw it and "woah"
Puts it on anyway.

avk111
02-26-2015, 07:34 AM
I just think its either cumbersome to carry around and might as well just wear it or he just saw it and "woah"
Puts it on anyway.

Sounds technical, but the general point is he wore the robes for the rest of his life (untill attaining Altair's armor) out of coincidental events, he was never "intended" to become an assassin by his father.

avk111
03-28-2015, 10:04 AM
Sorry to bump this thread again,

However it seems I have discovered yet another precise motive for Ezio during his campaign against the templars.

Ezio never seemed to me like he wanted to join the brotherhood or start killing templars, the only reason he continued his campaign was to assure that he and his family were going to be finally free from any templar threat, seeing as what has happened to his Father and brothers. Since now his mother and sister are his only family and since his heritage as an assassin puts them at risk he started taking down the templars one by one.