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Biggles_
04-19-2004, 02:59 PM
G'day guys

I recently purchased a lovely shiny new copy of IL2:FB, due to the fact it was going (fairly) cheap and I'd heard loads of good reviews about it.
Having tried (unsuccessfully!) to play it with keyboard and mouse only, I bought my first joystick, the above mentioned Saitek. However, silly me thought that the game would automatically recognise the joystick, and so it would a simple case of install drivers, plug in and wa-hey, Bob's yer uncle.
Unfortunately it isn't like that is it? I installed the Saitek Smart Technology programming software and have managed to get the guns firing (mostly), but I can't for the life of me figure out what to do to get the actual 'movement' bit of the joystick to be recognised (pitch/roll), or the hatswitch views... so, can anybody give me some advice on the correct settings so I can start flying?

It's all so complicated these days, it wasn't like this back in 1914... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers

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Biggles_
04-19-2004, 02:59 PM
G'day guys

I recently purchased a lovely shiny new copy of IL2:FB, due to the fact it was going (fairly) cheap and I'd heard loads of good reviews about it.
Having tried (unsuccessfully!) to play it with keyboard and mouse only, I bought my first joystick, the above mentioned Saitek. However, silly me thought that the game would automatically recognise the joystick, and so it would a simple case of install drivers, plug in and wa-hey, Bob's yer uncle.
Unfortunately it isn't like that is it? I installed the Saitek Smart Technology programming software and have managed to get the guns firing (mostly), but I can't for the life of me figure out what to do to get the actual 'movement' bit of the joystick to be recognised (pitch/roll), or the hatswitch views... so, can anybody give me some advice on the correct settings so I can start flying?

It's all so complicated these days, it wasn't like this back in 1914... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers

&lt;font color="#0099CC" size="3"&gt;Hey, some blighter's nicked my Sopwith Camel!&lt;/font&gt;

CRSutton
04-19-2004, 04:12 PM
Go to your control panel in windows and make sure the joystick is calibrated. Look under game controllers. That should do it. My Evo worked out of the box after a basic install of the software and calibration. It is a great stick.

Clanktank
04-19-2004, 05:04 PM
In windows just go to game controllers and ensure it's listed in the installed game controllers. There is no calibration as stated earlier (don't know if this is just on XP tho). You can click on properties to see all the buttons and sliders function tho.

Ingame setup goes like this:
Main Menu
Controls
Scroll down to "HOTAS Controls" and make sure your x's and y's are set:

Power = (minus)Z-Axis
Aileron = X-Axis
Elevator = Y-Axis
Rudder = Z-Axis Rotation

For fine tuning go to:
Main Menu
Hardware Setup
Inputs
Adjust your parameters for each direction of control, dead zones, response levels, etc.

I haven't loaded the Saitek software that came with my Evo, works just fine without it.
If you can't find any of the above in windows or ingame then there may be a problem in the software or joystick itself.

Lav69
04-19-2004, 05:09 PM
Your wrong Clanktank, you can calibrate in XP and most of the time it is necessary. You also mentioned that you are not using the Saitek software. Then you are not programming the stick to its fullest and taking advantage of the extra buttons you could be using.

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Clanktank
04-19-2004, 05:19 PM
Hey Lav69, was only trying to help the guy with my experiences. Where is your help?

The fact that I don't use the software still gives me 12 buttons and 4 axis to play with, this is how I like it and find it good for my flying, not all buttons in a cockpit are on the stick http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I'd be interested to know how to calibrate though?

arcadeace
04-19-2004, 05:56 PM
I have the full driver installed on Win98. Each time I start FB I have to click on impute and 'recalibrate' or move the stick around a couple of times. Then it works perfect.

Clanktank
04-19-2004, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lav69:
Your wrong Clanktank, you can calibrate in XP and most of the time it is necessary.
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From the Saitek Web-page:
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Q1: I'm running Windows XP and I find that my evo 'drifts' in-game, despite my having calibrated the stick correctly in Control Panel. How do I stop this?

A1: Calibration isn't actually necessary with the Cyborg evo. If you're finding that the stick seems uncalibrated then simply rotate the handle in a full circle and this should 'remind' the PC of the stick's calibration.

Check the Controller
If you are still getting no response in your games at all then check to see whether your controller is actually working correctly. In Windows 98/ME/2000 this is done by opening up your Control Panel (Start&gt;Settings&gt;Control Panel) and then opening the Game Controllers or Gaming Options icon. Under Windows XP you click Start&gt;Control Panel and then Printers and Other Hardware&gt;Game Controllers (if running in Category View) or simply Game Controllers (if running in Classic View).

Once in there you should have your controller present in the main Controllers window with a status of OK next to it. If it is then click Properties and then Test at the top of the properties Window to bring up the test page for your controller (some controllers will automatically just bring up a test page). Move the different parts of your controller and see if they respond correctly - if they do then the controller is fine. If you recieve erratic or shaky responses from the test screen then the controller may be faulty in which case you chould contact your country's support representative to check whether the controller is okay.

Also:

If the controller is okay in there but still doesn't work in the game then go back to the main controllers screen of Game Controllers/Gaming Options and then click the Advanced/Controller IDs tab at the top. You will see a list of numbers, one of which has your controller next to it; the one that should have the controller next to it is number 1. If it is not next to number 1 then most games will not be able to see it so highlight your controller by clicking on it, click the Change button and then change the controller id number to 1 and click OK. If there is another controller already on number 1 then you will need to take that off number 1 first before you can assign our controller there instead. Under Windows XP the prcedure is slightly different - click the Advanced button on the main Controllers screen and ensure the Preferred Device is the controller you wish to use. If it isn't then select it from the drop-down menu.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And finally:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Cyborg evo - axis drifting experienced with Windows XP

If you experience a problem with 'drifting' response (planes steer to the left when the stick is centred, despite calibration) in your games with the Cyborg evo then we have now issued the latest driver revision to Microsoft which should fix this.

Simply run Windows Update with the stick connected (Start&gt;Windows Update or Start&gt;Programs&gt;Windows Update) and look in the list of available driver updates - it should be there. Add it to the list of update for Windows Update to install for you and it should correct any drift that you're experiencing.

Note: in this new driver version there is no longer a Calibration tab under the test screen for the stick in Game Controller Properties in Control Panel; this is correct. The calibration tab is not needed as the stick generates its own calibration as you rotate the handle. Simply move all the axes on the stick through their full range of motion and this should 'remind' the PC of the stick's calibration.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hope that helps Biggles

[This message was edited by Clanktank on Mon April 19 2004 at 05:14 PM.]

[This message was edited by Clanktank on Mon April 19 2004 at 05:15 PM.]

Mirtma
04-19-2004, 11:44 PM
Well, I was just going to tell what Clanktank had said. EVO doesn't need calibration. Just circle with stick and you should be ok. Buttons I define in game.

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Biggles_
04-20-2004, 01:32 AM
Thanks for the responses guys... I'd already checked in Control Panel/Game Controllers, and my Evo is listed as number 1 (I've got an old Saitek gamepad plugged in too), and it works fine in the calibration screen.
However, in the game there was no response at all for pitch/roll/rudder or with the hatswitch or triggers. When I installed the Saitek programming software I managed to map the fire buttons which seem to work okay, then sort of got the hatswitch views working - except the default is looking straight up, despite mapping the forward view as Numpad 5!

I've not had a look at the HOTAS settings so I'll do that tonight when I get home and see if that sorts it out.
It's a very strange problem cos I assumed it should work fine out of the box... I checked the Saitek website to see if there were any later drivers, but they're only for WinXP and I'm using ME.

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Clanktank
04-20-2004, 05:50 AM
Perhaps a problem with using the two controllers together? If one is a gameport device then I don't think windows allows you to use both at once (two USB's devices should be fine).

Might be worth checking this thread where it explains how to setup two controllers on one PC:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=238106853

Tully__
04-20-2004, 07:15 AM
I think we've missed the obvious here.

Start menu, IL2:Forgotten Battles program group, select: IL2 Setup

Click the joystick tab.

Check the "Use Joystick" box.

Click OK.


You can also find IL2 Setup.exe in your main game folder.


Once done, you may need to assign the throttle control, but the other axes should work with default assignments. The throttle control can be found in the bottom of the ingame controls screen under the "HOTAS" heading. It's called "Power".

If the IL2Setup thing is already checked, you should only need to assign all the axes in the "HOTAS" section.

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Biggles_
04-20-2004, 10:59 AM
DUDES!

Cheers guys, lots of helpful advice, but especially to Clanktank who had the right idea... once I disconnected my gameport Saitek gamepad, everything worked fine. Stupid smegging Microsoft!

Now all I need is flying lessons... first attempt I lasted 10 seconds before stalling and crashing into the gound, then next time I lasted a couple of minutes before smashing into the rear end of a HE-111 while trying to shoot it up in a QMB mission! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hey, some blighter's nicked my Sopwith Camel!

lil_labbit
04-20-2004, 12:17 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif USB and gameport devices do NOT mix in Windows... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

But the evo is a great stick http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Hammer459
04-20-2004, 01:09 PM
Biggles = Kevin???
Hammer here, Bouncer has the Saitek, and has gotten pretty good with it. Maybe drop him a line? ---Hammer

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Biggles_
04-20-2004, 01:43 PM
Heh, I'm sure the Evo IS a great stick, and from what little experience I've had it certainly does seem very good... unfortunately I've never played a flight sim OR used a joystick before, so my flying skills are a little er, shall we say... crap? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I've got a couple of flying manoeuvers/tactics sites bookmarked so when I've got the hang of flying in a straight line I'll take a look and see if I can turn without stalling the damn plane!

Back to the Evo again for a moment... what do you guys/gals use your function buttons for? Looking at the control keys reference card, there's so many I don't know which are the best ones to use on the joystick - elevator and/or aileron trim etc?

Cheers

Hey, some blighter's nicked my Sopwith Camel!

Clanktank
04-20-2004, 04:42 PM
Button 1 - Fire Weapons 1 & 2 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Button 2 - Centre View
Button 3 - Flaps Down
Button 4 - Airbrakes
Button 5 - Toggle FOV
Button 6 - Cockpit View
Button 7 - Toggle Gunsight
Button 8 - Chase View
Button 9 - External View
Button 10 - Flaps Up
Button 11 -
Button 12 - External View
Mouse Scroller - Elevator Trim

I think you need to concentrate on your main commands first, like flaps and your different views, then you can play with it and see what controls you need to have at hand and what can be left on the keyboard.

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Biggles_
04-21-2004, 03:27 PM
Cheers dude.

I think I actually need to concentrate more on learning how to fly! I'm finding it very difficult at the moment, but I did eventually manage to bring down a couple of B-17's this morning... but whether that was more by luck than skill we'll leave to your imaginations...! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hey, some blighter's nicked my Sopwith Camel!