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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 09:34 PM
These questions applies to Cannons and Machineguns.

1. What is your favorite convergence?

2. Do you use the same convergence for all planes or different for every plane?



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Message Edited on 09/14/0308:34PM by fromsweden

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 09:34 PM
These questions applies to Cannons and Machineguns.

1. What is your favorite convergence?

2. Do you use the same convergence for all planes or different for every plane?



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"Too late ... No time."
Concorde pilot Christian Marty, moments before the supersonic jet crashed into a hotel in Gonesse on the outskirts of Paris.


Message Edited on 09/14/0308:34PM by fromsweden

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 09:43 PM
Kinda depends.. with low velocity cannons, like the 37mm cannon of P-39 and MK108 of germans I use 150 meters..

For machine guns 200-300.. 300 for .50cals and 200 for German MG17/MG131.. If im flying plane equipted with suber UBS, then I use 500 meters, since bullets of UBS dont loose any speed at all /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif with German MG17 i sometimes use only 150 meters, since they are so ineffective and you gotta be close to actually do any damage.

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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 09:48 PM
i like 100 for mgs and 300 for cannons

XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 09:52 PM
It should be non-adjustable. It should be set to what the a/c manual says it should be./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

A ps. Or adjustable with-in the specs, like with the P-47 with 250 to 350 yds.

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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 10:05 PM
Since i don't use to fly VVS planes(with the exception of the Cobra sometimes), I use 250 for 109G cannons(300-350 with gunpods) and whatever concergence for the MG's.
For the P-39 Usualy I use 175 for the cannon and 250-300 for the Mg's.


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09-14-2003, 10:08 PM
150 for MG'S and 100 for Cannons. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 10:18 PM
It definitely depends on the plane chosen.

For planes with multiple machine gun armament like the P-47, I-16 Type 18 and P-39, I like to set one set to very long range [350-550m] and one set to very close range [100-150m]. It's worth noting on the P-39Q1 and P-39N1 that you can turn off the wing guns with your "activate gunpods" control in the controls menu - these do however use the same convergence range as the nose mounted .50s. Longer convergence seems to produce a straighter firing spread in these guns, as modelled in the game at least. At short range you can open up with the full set, confident that your long-range guns simply won't deviate far enough from the short-range guns trajectory to matter. At the 'spread' range of around 300m, in between their convergences, you'll end up with a shotgun spray effect between the two.

As was mentioned, the serious-business 30mm+ nose cannon on aircraft such as the BF109 with MK108, the Yak9-T and Yak-9K, and P39 are best set to very, very low range convergence. You're wasting ammo taking a shot at a fighter from long range with a weapon like that. Unless you know you're going to be taking on AAA or bombers with it, set these to 150m convergence at most. This controls the "lob" of a nose mounted gun - 150m usually means a fairly straight trajectory out of the barrel, dropping off at long range.

Unless it's the only thing an aircraft is armed with, small cal machine guns [< 13mm] are really more useful for scaring opponents than they are for inflicting damage. More a sort of "I can hit you in the eye from here, how long do you think it'll be before a cannon round hits?" thing than something you're going to kill a plane with.

Something that people quite often forget is that small cal machine guns are really only effective at damaging a plane if they hit the engine, pilot, or fuel tanks. Shots that hit the tail assembly, wings, or other areas are just going to make a small hole and do little else. Every single service that fielded light machine gun armed aircraft told its pilots to aim for the important systems on aircraft rather than firing blindly. At best, you might remove a control surface [aileron/rudder/elevator] for quite a significant amount of your ammo, so don't do it. Try to bring an opponent into a scissors or other "angles" based fight, rather than giving up the initiative by hanging on their tail. Tailgating an enemy also means slowing down to their speed, and makes you a sitting duck for their wingman.

As was mentioned in others posts, the soviet UB machine guns are practically laser like in their speed/damage/precision, so you can set those to quite long range and still be confident of inflicting enough damage to kill. I'm not sure if these really are as overmodelled as people claim - there has to be some reason why they only put one UB on most of their frontline planes, after experimenting with sticking up to 5 guns on testbeds like the Lagg3-41.

The basket case of the bunch is probably the FW-190A series, where your inner gun convergence sets the range of two types of guns which will deviate from each others trajectories quite a bit. I usually set inner convergence to 250m and outer convergence to 150, but it's something I like to play with. Perhaps an FW expert can chip in on this plane.

I can't help but feel that a lot of people use tail chase tactics rather than angles fights in FB and that this is why you see so many complaints about damage models.

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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 10:44 PM
clint-ruin wrote:
- Unless it's the only thing an aircraft is armed
- with, small cal machine guns [< 13mm] are really
- more useful for scaring opponents than they are for
- inflicting damage. More a sort of "I can hit you in
- the eye from here, how long do you think it'll be
- before a cannon round hits?" thing than something
- you're going to kill a plane with.

Yap, Dunno, I always considered more fair, and Waay less scary fighting a Yak(1/7/9) than a Rata... in a 109.
Those 7.6 wil for sure hit you, even without causing fatal damage.
They simply make you thril of fear thinking that one little bullet wil decide to take a walk trough your fuel tanks, you'l either be in flame, or barely get back.....

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XyZspineZyX
09-14-2003, 10:47 PM
MiloMorai wrote:
- It should be non-adjustable. It should be set to
- what the a/c manual says it should be./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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- A ps. Or adjustable with-in the specs, like with the
- P-47 with 250 to 350 yds.

If the spread on the P-47 wasn't so damned big that might be viable. Thanks to Oleg, I have to set it to 100m to be able to get any appreciable amount of lead on target. Any further out and most of it goes high, low and wide all at the same time.

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 07:31 AM
500 metres

but I usually fire at about 100 metres or less, I use 500 for deflection, and strafing, I am a ground attack fan http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 04:19 PM
With anything above a 30mm and including it I like 1000 for cannon (I learned with it at 1000 with the big caliber guns and like it for some reason)
200 for machinguns (I choose this number because I don't use machinguns other than spraying in the general direction, might scare the enemy into turning or,.. something)

If we are talking about wingpods I make the exception though and go with 150 for cannon

then if we are using 20mm's or below I like having both cannon and machinguns at 150.

its all personal preferance

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 05:15 PM
clint-ruin wrote:
- Perhaps an FW expert can chip in on this plane.


Im not an expert but I can give you a tip that works for me for the FW since it has so many guns firing I decided Id try the shotgun effect idea that I herd a p38 pilot talking about......

Basicaly I set the inbord for 900 & the outbord for 877

This makes a large area being covered by lead I dont shoot @ 900 I shoot somewhere near .30/.20 when you get a solid snapshot on them so much lead hits them in so many differant places that normaly theres a cripaling shot I try to avoid shooting from the tailgate position as I find it least effective by far...

Ive been flying the p47 alot latley ive been seting thoes alot closer between 400 & 200 not gona tell you the exzact measurments /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 07:45 PM
I'm flying the venerable MIG3 in my russian pilot career and I usually set convergence to 200 meters. I usually fire both weapons at the same time to obtain the maximum damage...

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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 08:10 PM
For Dog fighting:
200 MGs
100 cannon



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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 11:17 PM
Depends on the mission and expected target.

250m for soft ground targets
200m for anti-tank

150-180m for MOST air-to-air

400+ m for hunting heavy bombers

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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 11:21 PM
200m cannos, 150 Mg`s. Except IL2... 350 Cannons and Mg`s

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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 11:41 PM
250m for MG, 200 for cannon.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 12:08 AM
Very intersting...

I fly all types - Luftwaffe generally 150m both, VVS 100m both. Worked for me so far. I based this on being brought up on stories from BoB - close convergence for good damage, but i'm not sure if it stands up with different armed buses.

I like the stuff about the 190 from clint et al. Never really thought of it that way, will have to give it a try.

someone mentioned 500m for ground attack? Personally, when i fly the IL i take 350m both, using MGs to range (and scare out the troops http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ). I use 200m for rockets and wait until VERY close before firing them. I also use 1sec fuse on bombs flying in low for accuracy.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 12:11 AM
1 m for both

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