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LBR_Rommel
08-30-2004, 08:42 PM
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http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/WBFirepower.htm

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LBR_Rommel
08-30-2004, 08:42 PM
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http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/WBFirepower.htm

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08-30-2004, 09:16 PM
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lookatsix
08-31-2004, 11:20 AM
woow FW 190 Rulez on this one

VW-IceFire
08-31-2004, 02:03 PM
I wonder what armament type for the A-8 that they used? I sort of suspect that its the MK108. And why no Tempest or Typhoon? Those two equal or beat FW190's in most comparisons on basic firepower.

Of course, the FW190 with dual MK108 or six MG151/20's are even more powerful.

Depends on alot of things including rate of fire, explosive potential (both which the MG151/20 accel at) and muzzle velocity (which the MG151/20 is in third place overall). Those are all big factors in overall damage.

Sometimes hard to assign a number.

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WOLFMondo
08-31-2004, 02:29 PM
I assume the Hurricane II there is the one with 4 20mm's? Thats on the list and has the same armament as the Tyhpoon. I guess the Tempest is very similar with the short barreled Mk5's but didn't they have a faster fire rate but slightly reduced muzzle velocity?

I've seen similar things and the Tempest usually comes out on top http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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tigertalon
09-01-2004, 01:55 PM
Where does the difference between 109G6 (424.7) and K4 (845.5) come from?

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LBR-GuntherRall
09-01-2004, 05:18 PM
S! Guys

Well I also saw this fire power table and as he already knew Fw 190 A8 and Bf 110 were the most powerful in that requirement.

All that spoke to our friend, on the typhoon this used the same cannons that the hurri MK II, but even so it was not beach wrap for the fire power of FWs A6(com gondolas 30mm),A8 & A9.

Hoist is questioned which A8 had been used (it Hoists 80% of Fw 190 A8 used Mk 108 already incorporate of it manufactures for attacks to bombardiers) the hunt versions for dogfight in the case A6, A7,A8 (some) A9, they tie removed 2 mg 151/20 because it was not necessary to abate an enemy during the fight! Many documentaries, videos and depositions on both sides of the conflict that mention that the fire power of the German hunts was superior exist (that and fact!) you Imagine if 3 shots of Mk 108 could cut the wings of a bombardier Avro Lancaster, installed in Schrange Musik, what would not do in the fuselage of a hunt P51, La 7, Yak, Spitfire....

What asks her here, and and truthful and so only that the weapons of the Germans in the game are remodeled for the pattern that you/they had; the 1st German hunts to combat Allied Bombardiers had weapons of 20 mm and they dropped heavy bombardiers.

Didn't a spitfire drop He 111, Of the 17, Ju 88? That you were totally metallic, and note is not had that the Briton had weapons of 30mm in their hunts.

You mention harmonizes of shot, I mention in being able to explosive, and simple a missile that explodes and with a diameter of 30mm, depending on the load that he contains the hole can have from 3 to 4x the diameter of the missile. Do you think a weapon of 7.92 mm that didn't have explosive load makes a hole of those? How many discharge shots does he harmonize she would have to give to arrive to the same damage of a 30mm? That if all got right! Meanwhile a cannon of 30 mm with 3 shots would make a mishap of 12x his diameter!

Good but the subject and:

Which the largest fire power?
I answer: Bf 110 G2

I believe me that Bristol Beaufighter also had a very good fire power, as well as He 219, these didn't also enter in the dispute.
Reminding that Bristol had 4x 20mm Hispano and He 219 Uhu in his simple configuration had 2 Mg 151/20 in the wings and 2 Mk 108 mounted in a gondola in the womb of the apparel; both with being able to destroy many bombardiers.

Oleg for god's love, get right the weapons of the German hunts!!!!!

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ZG77_Lignite
09-01-2004, 05:39 PM
I believe this is a table created for Warbirds Online (the original, an early flight sim). It may have some basis in facts, but I believe it appears to be the estimates of the author, and does not necessarily reflect history or facts. I'm sure you've all noticed this, but just in case some haven't http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WWMaxGunz
09-01-2004, 06:34 PM
The charts leave a lot out. I wouldn't expect to get results in line with those in
any sim with realistic ballistics unless I was one h@ll of a pilot-marksman.


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VW-IceFire
09-01-2004, 09:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I assume the Hurricane II there is the one with 4 20mm's? Thats on the list and has the same armament as the Tyhpoon. I guess the Tempest is very similar with the short barreled Mk5's but didn't they have a faster fire rate but slightly reduced muzzle velocity?

I've seen similar things and the Tempest usually comes out on top http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Yeah the Mark V Hispano cannon puts its rate of fire at essentially the same as the MG151/20 with better muzzle velocity. But less velocity than the standard Mk II. Only by a little bit however.

Its an awesome and brutal combination of fire rate and muzzle velocity.

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faustnik
09-01-2004, 10:43 PM
Some experts felt the Mg151 and the Hispano to be very similar in destructive effect.

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VW-IceFire
09-01-2004, 11:35 PM
Yes I've been pondering that as well. MG151/20 VS Hispano. Differences are obvious...kinetic VS explosive I think is the biggest difference.

This chart is somewhat different in values represented than this chart:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-pe.html

Also, didn't we have a chart made using in-game values?

My biggest question...how does the syncronization affect the MG151/20 for inner guns on FW190A's and D9's?

Since the Hispano has no syncronization on any plane that I know of, that may be an advantage and disadvantage of the gun.

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WWMaxGunz
09-02-2004, 04:59 AM
There is the Oleg's Guns and Ammo table.
1) It doesn't show ROF.
2) Explosive power is not given in units compatible with KE or PE.
3) Nothing on effect of ranges on velocity, would be a big plus.

#2 would seem most important but without #3 the KE loss is lost.


Neal

Zmir88IAP
09-02-2004, 11:04 AM
Maybe someone likes this:
Table with weapons/planes from FB(kinetic energy and mass output comparison). (http://www.ktp.at/zeili/Zeili/Flieger/Rohrwaffen.xls)
I think you cannot calculate the damage from the different HE-shells. Every table i saw was "strange" and different to any otherone(depends on author).

faustnik
09-02-2004, 11:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Yes I've been pondering that as well. MG151/20 VS Hispano. Differences are obvious...kinetic VS explosive I think is the biggest difference.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From Mr. William's site:

"If we compare the values with the few data known from ballistic tests, we have some indications that the factors assumed in the calculations are realistic. The 20x80RB M-Geschoss and the 20x110 (Hispano) HE were rated as about equal; the greater blast effect of the M-Geschoss was countered by the greater penetration and kinetic damage inflicted by the Hispano. They do indeed emerge with similar scores. Also, the Luftwaffe reckoned that it took about four or five times as many 20 mm shells to destroy a heavy bomber as it did 30 mm rounds. The power relationship here is 3.6 times for the MK 108 and 6.2 times for the MK 103, which neatly brackets this observation."

Cartridge Effectiveness (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm)

In FB 2.04 the Hispano has 200% to 250% of the destructive force of the Mg151/20.
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