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[WorrenW]

A group of URU fans got together with the only idea of burning cd's of XP1 to help people with slow internet connections. We aren't going to charge nor are we going to distribute and spy or malware. Emails were sent to UBI requesting permission. As long as we don't resell their intellectual property and refuse any payment other than return postage we're ok.
Today, Sunday before release day I received some disturbing emails. Seven who had signed up withdrew because of something they read here on these forums. In addition, someone claiming to be both a mod as well as a Cyan employee of high rank told me that the whole project was illegal and "ordered" me to cease and desist.
We're not making a dime from this. If you don't want to save yourself a 7 or 8 hour download that's fine. Those that remain with us will be up and running around our favorite city as soon as their mailman gets there.
Please, if you don't like it just go away. Do not spam my email addy with vaguely threatening messages informing me of what Cyan is going to do to me. Not to brag or sound threatening but you just don't know who you're talking to. The internet is a vast place full of people using alter egos. Do you honestly believe that Cyan would waste it's limited resources to take 'action' because someone copied a file which will be spread all over the net by midweek and gave away to those less fortunate. Wouldn't their public relations department step in? The first expansion pack is free anyway so where is the loss? We'll never do another one because it is understood it will be a retail item and that would be piracy.
So here's the situation: this mod/Cyan employee is going to take action against a small group of individuals for giving away free copies of a free program. All due credit will be given to the URU staff and rightly so.
Please mod/employee, no more veiled threats or predictions of the amount of money I will have to pay for completing this project.
Thank you.

[WorrenW]

A group of URU fans got together with the only idea of burning cd's of XP1 to help people with slow internet connections. We aren't going to charge nor are we going to distribute and spy or malware. Emails were sent to UBI requesting permission. As long as we don't resell their intellectual property and refuse any payment other than return postage we're ok.
Today, Sunday before release day I received some disturbing emails. Seven who had signed up withdrew because of something they read here on these forums. In addition, someone claiming to be both a mod as well as a Cyan employee of high rank told me that the whole project was illegal and "ordered" me to cease and desist.
We're not making a dime from this. If you don't want to save yourself a 7 or 8 hour download that's fine. Those that remain with us will be up and running around our favorite city as soon as their mailman gets there.
Please, if you don't like it just go away. Do not spam my email addy with vaguely threatening messages informing me of what Cyan is going to do to me. Not to brag or sound threatening but you just don't know who you're talking to. The internet is a vast place full of people using alter egos. Do you honestly believe that Cyan would waste it's limited resources to take 'action' because someone copied a file which will be spread all over the net by midweek and gave away to those less fortunate. Wouldn't their public relations department step in? The first expansion pack is free anyway so where is the loss? We'll never do another one because it is understood it will be a retail item and that would be piracy.
So here's the situation: this mod/Cyan employee is going to take action against a small group of individuals for giving away free copies of a free program. All due credit will be given to the URU staff and rightly so.
Please mod/employee, no more veiled threats or predictions of the amount of money I will have to pay for completing this project.
Thank you.

[Cierdwyn]

Way to go WorrenW ... Still with you all the way.

Cierdwyn

Oh, and for the record ... a 7 or 8 hour download wouldn't be too bad. I just downloaded a second Syberia 2 demo last night - during the night to be exact - at 85MB it took almost 9 and a half hours. I heard the completion ping as I came down the stairs this morning. I had begun the download at 10:30 last night. Any guesses on how long the XP1 will take me?

[This message was edited by Cierdwyn on Sun March 21 2004 at 06:16 AM.]

[GadrenURU]

i'm still with you...

could you post this offending e-mail, and the address? i have some rather ... evil ... plans...

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[Deladra]

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Today, Sunday before release day I received some disturbing emails. Seven who had signed up withdrew because of something they read here on these forums.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am not sure what people saw on the forum to cause people to withdraw from your offer. I would love to see what thread or post caused them to suddenly pull out like this.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>In addition, someone claiming to be both a mod as well as a Cyan employee of high rank told me that the whole project was illegal and "ordered" me to cease and desist.
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As for someone claiming to be a Moderator and an Employee of Cyan, I feel that someone is pulling your leg. Unless the email came directly from Cyan or Ubisoft, I highly suspect that it was a false email. While I am not you, if it were me, I would call this person out on the forums and force their hand. But that's just me.

[Naquiel]

I know exactly what happened, there was a poster by the name of Dr feelgood WA that was saying that he was going to help burn disks. He said that he was helping you WorrenW. He said that you had permission straigh from Cyan and that you where going to get a special copy of the xpack to distribute.

As nice as it is, Dr Feelgood WA had show from past post that he had very ill will twards UBI because Live was canceled. He has threatened to sue and any other way to get live back. And the post where he says that he was going to help pop up (the thread is now deleted).

I had a concern about his part in it and gave a warning to ppl to be careful of giving out information, and i wanted to hear from a Mod or official on Dr feelgood's claims. Dr feelgood again feels that UBI/Cyan was deliberatle trying to make Uru fail and that they were doing him wrong. So now he is going to try and sue UBI.

I know that their are ppl that would like a burned disk for safe and faster download, but there was some concern when it came to why Dr feelgood became involved (or atleast i was concerened). Many ppl might have withdrawn their requests because of the post that was short lived on the forum, but many might of had worries like i did.

Sorry that you got in the mix, but it was something that was not to be ignored.

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[rock49]

I'm still in if needed!

[Jerle]

The thing IS, Dr. FG was claiming that he had Cyan's full-on blessing for this and someone from Cyan posted essentially saying that he doesn't know a thing about it. We did remove the thread as the majority of it was people flaming each other but this is the quote from Grey Dragon's post (Cyan employee)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Ok.. once and for all.
and geez people settle down.

The only way Cyan knows of right now that the X pack will be delivered is thru Gigex. Once and for all.

Anyways, people who want a burned copy will get one soon after the release.

No more talk about this at all. I don't want to hear about it.

Finally, read my blog.. I am going to post a personal entry. Not the offical word of Cyan. Just what I think..

DONE!!

Ryan Warzecha
Cyan Worlds Content Analyst
www.greydragon.blogspot.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Also, please do not make public threats to employees of Ubi or Cyan or anyone at ALL here. if you have issues with the emails that you're getting, save the email headers, find out who they are that you think is harassing you and use the PROPER channels. And for the record, Dr. FG's thread was removed at HIS request after Grey Dragon posted.

If one thinks that there's not going to be file sharing of this, then they don't live in the real world, I know. It might be more prudent to take this to private topics with the people with whom you wish to be involved, not a public thread with vague threats to people who disagree with, yes? Sounds like you have the contacts you want, anyway?

And frankly, I'm with Grey on this one... this in-fighting with fans and companies is just tiring....

Uru Live Forums Moderator

Co-Administrator/Webmaster ~ D'ni Linguistic Fellowship

[D aniel]

Hmm just a few things:

Worren - I thought you had already been in touch with Cyan in regards to you providing the CD burning service for low bandwidth folks. I presumed you had received a confirmation to proceed from Cyan. Could you post what the status of your project is? Its been my experience that a 'cease and desist' letter is usually done via registered snail mail NOT email.

I for one would like to hand you some kudos for your effort. But then again, my kudos arent worth much around here. But heres a few anyway

I'm also with Jerle on his response, though I would have done the same as you here (see first post in thread). BUT - I would have verified any one's claim being from Cyan that I had not already been in contact with with a simple phone call.

All in all, I think what Worren is doing is commendable, he is picking up the slack the official distributor isnt. This should say a lot in of itself. It signifies that fans will go to great length to help spread good will.

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[Naquiel]

Im happy that WorrenW is burning disks for ppl that would like them. I myself am burnig a copy for myself just in case i have to reload uru and the download cant be found on the internet. I will also have the copy for a friend that has no connection to the internet.

I even know that many are going to do this. So GL and i hope things go well.

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