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[Om4zd]

Interrogation (also called questioning or interpellation) is interviewing as commonly employed by officers of the police, military, and Intelligence agencies with the goal of extracting a confession or obtaining information. Subjects of interrogation are often the suspects, victims, or witnesses of a crime. Interrogation may involve a diverse array of techniques, ranging from developing a rapport with the subject to outright torture.

"Interrogation may INVOLVE!" hence my statement: They are both the same in different situations .

[wallz0r]

Actually Sam Fisher has been rather violent both in and out of his line of work, in the games and the books.

Hmm, I need to read the books, but I'll still choose the old method of interrogation over this one any day: grabbing the bad guy, followed by a verbal exchange most of the times filled with dark humour and being in control of the situation.

Sam Fisher:Bad news.
Guard: Agh! I knew it! I knew there were ninjas around here!
Sam Fisher: What?
Guard: Yeah, you've gotta be a ninja. How else could you sneak up and grab me like that?
Sam Fisher: Listen, I don't know what...
Guard: Wow! A real, live, ninja! I can't believe it!
Sam Fisher: Listen, I'm going to kill you if...
Guard: *Wow*! Killed by a ninja... cool!

Those were the times Now Sam Fisher shoots his target, beats him up and gets him killed and compromises the mission.

[sameer_monier]

It's not "entirely correct and the only option". By definition, it's just plain false.

As I've said before interrogation is asking questions of someone closely, aggressively, or formally.

It becomes torture when severe pain is used to get answers.


If sticking a knife in someone is "interrogation", does hacking off a limb make that "enhanced interrogation"?

I agree with Om4zd, torture is a way of interrogation, used by many countries, it remains Interrogation since Sam is acquiring real information, it isn't a mindless act of violence with no valid reason or outcome.

As for hacking of limb, why would you do that ?!, there are alot more worse things, like taking off finger nails, electric shocks, impaling, cutting of fingers, hot metal ..........etc, while cutting a limb you really are putting yourself in a tight situation ((the guy may lose his consciousness from the pain and die due to bleeding)), unless you are ready to immediately take him to a hospital and continue later

and all of that remain Interrogation ((torture is a way, just like Blackmailing, aggressive talking, or talking, or even compromising)), and as far as I know, there some people who can go through that hell and remain silent about their countries big secrets.

Interrogation (also called questioning or interpellation) is interviewing as commonly employed by officers of the police, military, and Intelligence agencies with the goal of extracting a confession or obtaining information. Subjects of interrogation are often the suspects, victims, or witnesses of a crime. Interrogation may involve a diverse array of techniques, ranging from developing a rapport with the subject to outright torture.

"Interrogation may INVOLVE!" hence my statement: They are both the same in different situations .

^^ yup I agree.

[sgg847]

I thought it was sex games.

[The_5_Freedoms]

Interrogation (also called questioning or interpellation) is interviewing as commonly employed by officers of the police, military, and Intelligence agencies with the goal of extracting a confession or obtaining information. Subjects of interrogation are often the suspects, victims, or witnesses of a crime. Interrogation may involve a diverse array of techniques, ranging from developing a rapport with the subject to outright torture.

interrogate |inˈterəˌgāt|
verb [ trans. ]
ask questions of (someone, esp. a suspect or a prisoner) closely, aggressively, or formally.
• Computing obtain data from (a computer file, database, storage device, or terminal).
• (of an electronic device) transmit a signal to (another device, esp. one on a vehicle) to obtain a response giving information about identity, condition, etc.
DERIVATIVES
interrogator |-ˌgātər| noun
ORIGIN late 15th cent.: from Latin interrogat- ‘questioned,’ from the verb interrogare, from inter- ‘between’ + rogare ‘ask.’

Source: New Oxford American Dictionary

interrogate
verb
the suspects were interrogated in separate rooms: question, cross-question, cross-examine, quiz, catechize; interview, examine, debrief, give someone the third degree; informal pump, grill.

Source: Oxford American Writer's Thesaurus

in·ter·ro·gate  <a onmousedown="spk(this,{lk:'nx1fkx',en:'wotdau',io: '0',b:'wotd',tp:'lrl',m:'wotdau'})" href="#"></a><a target="_blank" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/I02/I0253300"><img border="0" src="http://static.sfdict.com/dictstatic/g/d/speaker.gif"></a> [in-ter-uh-geyt] Show IPA verb, in·ter·ro·gat·ed, in·ter·ro·gat·ing.
verb (used with object)
1.
to ask questions of (a person), sometimes to seek answers or information that the person questioned considers personal or secret.
2.
to examine by questions; question formally: The police captain interrogated the suspect.

Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/interrogate

World English Dictionary
interrogate *(ɪnˈtɛrəˌɡeɪt)
*
— vb

to ask questions (of), esp to question (a witness in court, spy, etc) closely
*
[C15: from Latin interrogāre *to question, examine, from rogāre *to ask]
*
in'terrogatingly
*
— adv



interrogate
Main Entry:
interrogate <a onmousedown="spk(this,{lk:'nx1fkx',en:'wotdau',io: '0',b:'wotd',tp:'lrl',m:'wotdau'})" href="#"></a><a target="_blank" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/I02/I0253300"><img border="0" src="http://static.sfdict.com/dictstatic/g/d/speaker.gif"></a> [in-ter-uh-geyt] Show IPA
Part of Speech:
verb
Definition:
ask pointed questions
Synonyms:
catechize, cross-examine, cross-question, examine, give the third degree, go over, grill, inquire, investigate, pump, put the screws to, put through the wringer, query, question, quiz, roast, sweat out, work over
Notes:
question *means to challenge the accuracy, probity, or propriety of; interrogate *means to examine closely, aggressively, or formally by posing a series of questions to
Antonyms:
answer, reply

Source: http://thesaurus.com/browse/interrogate

in·ter·ro·gate vt \in-ˈter-ə-ˌgāt, -ˈte-rə-\
in·ter·ro·gat·edin·ter·ro·gat·ing


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Definition of INTERROGATE
1
: to question formally and systematically
2
: to give or send out a signal to (as a transponder) for triggering an appropriate response

Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/interrogate

interrogate

interrogate verb

1
to put a question or questions to <interrogated him about where he'd gone the night before>
Synonyms catechize, grill, inquire (of), interrogate, query, question, quiz
Related Words besiege, bombard, cross-examine, cross-question, examine, pump; poll, survey
Near Antonyms rejoin, retort; comment, observe, remark; avoid, duck
Antonyms answer, reply, respond
2
to put a series of questions to <police interrogated the murder suspect for hours on end>
Synonyms catechize, grill, interrogate, pump, query, question, quiz, sweat [slang]
Related Words debrief; cross-examine, cross-question; annoy, harass, hound, pester; canvass (also canvas), poll

Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/interrogate

torture |ˈtôr ch ər|
noun
the action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something, or for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain.
• great physical or mental suffering or anxiety : the torture I've gone through because of loving you so.
• a cause of such suffering or anxiety : dances were absolute torture because I was so small.
verb [ trans. ]
inflict severe pain on : most of the victims had been brutally tortured.
• cause great mental suffering or anxiety to : he was tortured by grief.
DERIVATIVES
torturer noun
ORIGIN late Middle English (in the sense [distortion, twisting,] or a physical disorder characterized by this): via French from late Latin tortura ‘twisting, torment,’ from Latin torquere ‘to twist.’

Source: New Oxford American Dictionary

torture
noun
1 acts of torture: infliction of pain, abuse, ill-treatment, maltreatment, persecution; sadism.
2 the torture of losing a loved one: torment, agony, suffering, pain, anguish, misery, distress, heartbreak, affliction, scourge, trauma, wretchedness; hell, purgatory.
verb
1 they have tortured suspects in order to extract confessions: inflict pain on, ill-treat, abuse, mistreat, maltreat, persecute.
2 he was tortured by grief: torment, rack, afflict, harrow, plague, agonize, scourge, crucify.

Source: Oxford American Writer's Thesaurus

tor·ture
1.
the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2.
a method of inflicting such pain.
3.
Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4.
extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5.
a cause of severe pain or anguish.

verb (used with object)
6.
to subject to torture.
7.
to afflict with severe pain of body or mind: My back is torturing me.
8.
to force*or extort by torture: We'll torture the truth from his lips!
9.
to twist, force, or bring into some unnatural position or form: trees tortured by storms.
10.
to distort or pervert (language, meaning, etc.).

Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/torture

World English Dictionary
torture *(ˈtɔːtʃə)
*
— vb
1.
to cause extreme physical pain to, esp in order to extract information, break resistance, etc: to torture prisoners
2.
to give mental anguish to
3.
to twist into a grotesque form
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— n
4.
physical or mental anguish
5.
the practice of torturing a person
6.
a cause of mental agony or worry
*

Source: http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dic...glish/tortured

torture
Main Entry:
Part of Speech:
noun
Definition:
severe mental or physical pain
Synonyms:
ache, affliction, agony, anguish, cruciation, crucifixion, distress, dolor, excruciation, impalement, laceration, martyrdom, misery, pang, persecution, rack, suffering, third degree, torment, tribulation, twinge
Notes:
torment *suggests persecution or the repeated inflicting of suffering or annoyance; torture *adds the implication of causing unbearable pain or suffering
Antonyms:
alleviation, contentment, happiness, relief

Source: http://thesaurus.com/browse/torture

Definition of TORTURE
1
a : anguish of body or mind : agony

b : something that causes agony or pain
2
: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
3
: distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument : straining

Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/torture

a situation or state that causes great suffering and unhappiness <it's torture for me to see you so unhappy>
Synonyms agony, Gehenna, horror, misery, murder, nightmare, torment, torture
Related Words affliction, calvary, cross, curse, ordeal, trial, tribulation; calamity, misfortune, tragedy; gall, thorn; bummer, downer, drag
Near Antonyms delight, diversion, entertainment, fun, joy, pleasure, recreation; lark, picnic, riot
Antonyms heaven, paradise
2
a state of great suffering of body or mind <spent an afternoon in torture waiting to hear whether her brother had made it home safely>
Synonyms affliction, agony, anguish, excruciation, hurt, misery, pain, rack, strait(s), torment, torture, travail, tribulation, woe
Related Words discomfort; cross, crucible, trial; heartache, heartbreak, joylessness, sadness, sorrow, unhappiness; emergency, pinch; asperity, difficulty, hardship, rigor; ache, pang, smarting, soreness, stitch, throe, twinge; danger, jeopardy, trouble
Near Antonyms comfort, consolation, solace; alleviation, assuagement, ease, relief; peace, security; well-being

Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/torture

"Interrogation may INVOLVE!" hence my statement: They are both the same in different situations .

No.

[kalle90]

As for hacking of limb, why would you do that ?!, there are alot more worse things, like taking off finger nails, electric shocks, impaling, cutting of fingers, hot metal ..........etc, while cutting a limb you really are putting yourself in a tight situation ((the guy may lose his consciousness from the pain and die due to bleeding)), unless you are ready to immediately take him to a hospital and continue later

Hacking looks more cool and flashy, isn't that what this game is about?

Sam: Talk you *****!!
Terrorist: No!
Sam: You asked for this you **** *starts chainsaw* (cut a hand by moving thumbstick)
Terrorist: AAARGH!
Sam: Talk!
Terrorist: NOO!
Sam: Alright *revs once again* (cut a leg by moving thumbstick)
...
This goes on until all limbs are gone and the guy finally talks (realism, who cares). A multi-segment interrogation just like in Conviction. And then as a final option "Press X to pee or B to take into custody".

I'll stay quiet now.

[Om4zd]

"the action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something"

The premise of Interrogation is a major drive/purpose of torture.

I think you misunderstood me on my original post. I'm not saying the two are the exact same thing.

I'm saying that each of the two (torture and interrogation) work from one another if the situation requires it.

There are levels to an Interrogation and torture is one of the higher levels needed to gain info etc....

Levels include simple questioning to threatening, bribing, offering (immunity from crime e.g.)...

[shobhit7777777]

@Fifth

1. Torture is NOT related to just physical displeasure. Making someone sit for hours on end in a room can also count as psychological torture. Therefore even your technically correct definition of "Interrogation" is not void of torture, as a valid means to cross-checking a person - 'Aggressive'

2. Would you agree that interrogators may use torture as part of an interrogation? Yes or No.


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[sameer_monier]

Hacking looks more cool and flashy, isn't that what this game is about?

Sam: Talk you *****!!
Terrorist: No!
Sam: You asked for this you **** *starts chainsaw* (cut a hand by moving thumbstick)
Terrorist: AAARGH!
Sam: Talk!
Terrorist: NOO!
Sam: Alright *revs once again* (cut a leg by moving thumbstick)
...
This goes on until all limbs are gone and the guy finally talks (realism, who cares). A multi-segment interrogation just like in Conviction. And then as a final option "Press X to pee or B to take into custody".

I'll stay quiet now.

well I find cutting one finger at a time cooler than cutting the whole limb in one go, go for it Ubi LOL

and the game isn't all about flashy and cool, there are other subtle things too IMO.

BTW if you played The Punisher Game ((the TPS one)) it had a pretty good brutal interrogation system.

[The_5_Freedoms]

I agree with Om4zd, torture is a way of interrogation, used by many countries, it remains Interrogation since Sam is acquiring real information, it isn't a mindless act of violence with no valid reason or outcome.

Dude I never said it was a mindless act of violence with no valid reason or outcome.

What Sam is doing is torture - the action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something, or for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain.

As for hacking of limb, why would you do that ?!, there are alot more worse things, like taking off finger nails, electric shocks, impaling, cutting of fingers, hot metal ..........etc, while cutting a limb you really are putting yourself in a tight situation ((the guy may lose his consciousness from the pain and die due to bleeding)), unless you are ready to immediately take him to a hospital and continue later

Hey I didn't suggest it, kalle90 did.

and all of that remain Interrogation ((torture is a way, just like Blackmailing, aggressive talking, or talking, or even compromising)), and as far as I know, there some people who can go through that hell and remain silent about their countries big secrets.

No interrogation is asking questions of someone closely, aggressively, or formally.

"the action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something"

The premise of Interrogation is a major drive/purpose of torture.

It may be the initial purpose to begin with but when pain is introduced it becomes torture and then interrogation actually falls under torture.

I think you misunderstood me on my original post. I'm not saying the two are the exact same thing.

I'm saying that each of the two (torture and interrogation) work from one another if the situation requires it.

There are levels to an Interrogation and torture is one of the higher levels needed to gain info etc....

Levels include simple questioning to threatening, bribing, offering (immunity from crime e.g.)...

Interrogation doesn't encompass torture but torture can encompass interrogation.

@Fifth

1. Torture is NOT related to just physical displeasure. Making someone sit for hours on end in a room can also count as psychological torture. Therefore even your technically correct definition of "Interrogation" is not void of torture, as a valid means to cross-checking a person - 'Aggressive'

The definitions I posted for torture mention mental suffering, anguish and pain six times - which is about the same number of times physical suffering, anguish and pain is mentioned.

2. Would you agree that interrogators may use torture as part of an interrogation? Yes or No.

No. If interrogations lapse into torture the entire ordeal become torture and that encompasses the interrogation.