Controller Layout Help...
This is one of my biggest dislikes of the game. In general the controls and movement feel very clunky and awkward to me. However, I really want to give the game an honest effort the way it is. I would appreciate some tips on how to overcome my controller issues. I understand it's a slower paced game and not a run and gun FPS but even trying to play cover to cover I have issues maintaining control of my soldiers movements and camera view. I play on XBox and some examples of the issues I have are....
1. Melee - I can vault a crate to melee an enemy while he's in the middle of reloading but can't seem to melee them or even get them back in my sites fast enough. I also feel like I'm moving in an unnecessarily large circle to spot them again.
2. I feel like I stick to cover when I want to run and when I want to stick to cover I bounce off. For instance, If I'm next to a wall or crate it will give me the Cover (A) indicator. I'll press (A) and my soldier will run face first into the cover or worse out into the open.
3. Sometimes I'll stick to cover but I'm unable to shoot in any direction or even take aim.
4. I feel like Napoleon Dynamite trying to "proll". I've seen players gracefully go into a "proll" and take me out like Trinity from The Matrix. When I do it my cross hairs are not even close to them.
Thanks in advance for any help. Happy hunting !!
Last edited by S1apshot68; 07-30-2012 at 08:50 PM.
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Couple of things.
"1. Melee - I can vault a crate to melee an enemy while he's in the middle of reloading but can't seem to melee them or even get them back in my sites fast enough. I also feel like I'm moving in an unnecessarily large circle to spot them again."
: When you do this you need to rotate your camera with the right thumbstick while you are in the vaulting animation. so when you land you're already looking at them. Then take a couple steps away from them, while keeping your camera pointed at them (it should look like you're looking over your shoulder on screen) and you should get the stealth kill prompt. Occasionally you'll get the stealth kill prompt right away.
"even trying to play cover to cover I have issues maintaining control of my soldiers movements and camera view.": Remember that when sprinting or swapping cover positions you do not have to press forward on your left thumbstick. When I swap cover positions I like to use my left hand to rotate the camera view with the right thumbstick. Ex: I'm leaving the Bodark spawn on Pipeline, I exit the left side of the spawn, I take cover on the wall on the far left that is connected to the stairs leading up to the far left overlook, I cover swap to the closest piece of cover that is in front of and to the right of the truck. As I perform this cover swap I use my left thumb to aim my camera at the overlook on the Ghost side of the map. You don't have to keep your camera pointed at the piece of cover you're moving to, once you begin the animation.
I hope that last bit isn't to confusing, and I hope I helped a little bit.
That's exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for. Thank you very much. I will certainly practice those techniques. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
No problem man! It's kind of funny, I know to do these things, yet I get all jumpy and forget to do them a lot of the time. Oh yeah as for the proll animation, your camera needs to be facing perpendicular to the direction you're running when you hold the "B" button.
There also are a few options you have hardware wise, there's the razer onza and scuff controllers as well as a few others that have additional buttons that are pressed with non thumb/essential fingers that have the same function as any face button. Something like this would greatly help out if you assigned the extra buttons to say your mobility/main action buttons such as A/X so you can keep your thumbs on your analog sticks, making the above tips much easier to accomplish.
as well, there's always the xim3/edge that allows you to use a mouse and keyboard and have complete control over your button layout. WIth your fingers already touching all of the buttons movement is soo much easier. I don't use my xim3 for 3rd person shooters, but I know many who do, and I myself find I move seamlessly and much faster in bf3. I have had a few times where I've been able to run up to a tank(in hardcore where a tank shell any where near me, or a direct turret shot will wipe me out) dodging shots, and on a few scrubs, Ive been able to run around and knife them....
Thank you for the info. I didn't know that items like the XiM and XiM3 existed. XIM3 must be pretty popular. It was listed as unavailable on their website. One thing I liked about PC gaming was the speed and fluidness keyboard and mouse input provided over controllers. I always wanted to try something like the Razer Nostromo.
That being said, I have to stick to my Xbox controller. One reason I switched back to Console gaming was due to the level playing field provided by the standardized hardware configuration.
Thanks again for you time and input !!
the xim edge does the same job, it just doesn't have a screen on it, meaning you have to set it up on a pc instead(which honestly is much better than doing it on the xim3 screen, although the screen is helpful when fiddling around with basic settings like sensitivity). I rock the razer nostromo with a g700 on a razer mousepad, its comfy and I prefer it to a full keyboard, makes playing on a couch much easier as well.
Originally Posted by S1apshot68
screw standardized whatever... this isn't like pc at all. Pc has some real cheap stuff such as dropping graphics so low you can see through bushes/trees and cover, or running ultra, using macro's, or having some 6000dpi mouse makes you a god over someone using a stock pc mouse. Its a different controller, you don't automatically go ham because of it, it just is a preference thing. There still will be plenty of controller players that will be better than you, using a xim3/edge will not give you some stupid unfair advantage. There are tons of players out there on the xbox who use modded controllers, scuff/onza controllers, play using claw style(gives greater control), use kontrol freaks, lag switches, jtag's, flashing game files, etc. No matter what hobby/sport, there is always going to be people who get advantages using different equipment. The xim is a legitimate peripheral to use, its not designed to be some bs piece of hardware that exploits the game to give you an advantage, its just personal preference. People on pc play games with xbox controllers because of preference, some people use joysticks for flight simulators, some people use steering wheels for racing games. Are they all at a huge advantage? No, its JUST PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
not raging on you, just people who think standardized/blah/meh decisions make them superior, like the tools who think they are a boss for using iron sights...lol...
I play GRFS (PS3) with a XIME in conjunction with my Logitech G500. Absolutely love it! Mouse movements are truly 1:1. As a result I never find myself having to move the mouse more than I would if I were playing the game on the PC instead. Should note as well that at least in my case using a mouse/keyboard has not provided me an advantage over those using a controller. My player stats have remained consistent by and large. The advantage for me of using the XIME is that I simply enjoy the experience more. I far prefer playing FPS games with a mouse/keyboard. I also enjoy the freedom of being able to bind all the in-game functions to whatever mouse/keyboard button that I like, unlike playing the game with the controller which currently offers only one controller configuration. So lame.
Thanks guys for the feedback. I may have to check out the XIM's. You both made it sound like a pretty fair and viable alternative.