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    The thought process should actually go more towards the belief system you're more aligned with, rather than who you'd want to be more like physically.

    I agree with the Templars, to be honest. I think that humans need to be ruled. Without laws, we turn into barbarians. With one ruler, there would be no wars, and we'd be able to concentrate on progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WolfTemplar94 View Post
    I agree with the Templars, to be honest. I think that humans need to be ruled. Without laws, we turn into barbarians. With one ruler, there would be no wars, and we'd be able to concentrate on progress.
    Assassins aren't anarchists. They don't want to overthrow the governments of the world or get rid of laws, they just want to allow freedom of choice. In other words, they want to give people the freedom to overthrow oppression as it rises. The ideal Templar system would have one supreme ruling body reigning over humanity, with absolutely no chance of a change in regime. Which would be OK, assuming the ruling body was going to be looking out for the people's interests rather than their own. But power is the most corrupting influence in the world. It wouldn't take much of a push to turn the oh-so-noble Templar agenda into a fascist state with the power to retain authority indefinitely. So at the end of the day, I find the Assassins have the more realistic worldview. Allow democratically-elected leaders to govern the world, but leave the populace with enough power to resist governmental decisions that negatively impact the people as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WolfTemplar94 View Post
    The thought process should actually go more towards the belief system you're more aligned with, rather than who you'd want to be more like physically.

    I agree with the Templars, to be honest. I think that humans need to be ruled. Without laws, we turn into barbarians. With one ruler, there would be no wars, and we'd be able to concentrate on progress.
    Dude...WTF.
    Seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WolfTemplar94 View Post
    Without laws, we turn into barbarians.
    Even the most totalitarian regimes/dictators in history with the tightest laws didn't manage to prevent people from breaking laws and being barbaric. The only way to do it would be complete mind control. But that would mean someone would have to be NOT under control to be able to control other people. Now the question is to you? Why should someone be allowed free will while others would be brainless slaves?
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    The problem is, when it comes down to it, both sides of the secret war are in the wrong.

    The Templars are controlling, maniacal forces of shady freedom-oppressors, while the Assassins are a bunch of idealistic, but ultimately naive, freedom-fighters.

    Just look at Al Mualim. The guy lived and breathed Assassin, and in the end, even he figured the best way was to cave and just take over everyone's mind.

    I have a feeling, that in the end, the best solution is a combination of both ideals. Templar and Assassin. Otherwise, one will always fight the other. How, though, is anyone's guess.

    In terms of joining one side, however, I'd easily join the Assassin's. I believe humanity is troubled, but I don't think the answer to that is taking away what makes us human - the freedom of will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WolfTemplar94 View Post
    The thought process should actually go more towards the belief system you're more aligned with, rather than who you'd want to be more like physically.

    I agree with the Templars, to be honest. I think that humans need to be ruled. Without laws, we turn into barbarians. With one ruler, there would be no wars, and we'd be able to concentrate on progress.
    Really ??? With one ruler = no wars ? when china was united by that crazy emperor did civil war end ? Did it stop corruption ? Did it stop abuse of power ? Did the world stop spinning ? I do not think so. One world government means rules created by an individual or a small group of "people"(demons) that would make laws according to how they see fit, but what they see fit is their biased and does not entail truth or lifestyle denoting any form of reality.

    any ways going back to the point are you saying between this man


    or this man



    that you would find a difficulty understanding why you would nearly have to care about your image....If daniel cross looked like this guy, do you really think people would want to be templars ?
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    You were made to be ruled. I would join the Templars. Assassins tend to have more interesting ancestors though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoyalACFan View Post
    Assassins aren't anarchists. They don't want to overthrow the governments of the world or get rid of laws, they just want to allow freedom of choice. In other words, they want to give people the freedom to overthrow oppression as it rises. The ideal Templar system would have one supreme ruling body reigning over humanity, with absolutely no chance of a change in regime. Which would be OK, assuming the ruling body was going to be looking out for the people's interests rather than their own. But power is the most corrupting influence in the world. It wouldn't take much of a push to turn the oh-so-noble Templar agenda into a fascist state with the power to retain authority indefinitely. So at the end of the day, I find the Assassins have the more realistic worldview. Allow democratically-elected leaders to govern the world, but leave the populace with enough power to resist governmental decisions that negatively impact the people as a whole.
    Well the idea of the Assassin's is good, but the problem is what we saw in the first game. The leader turned to look out for his own power. Al Mualim turned into the absolute rule and almost to the essence of the Templar philosophy. Same with Abbas Sofian who let his anger and hate take over him. The point is that power can corrupt lots of people, both sides are susceptible to it. I would prefer the Assassins, but I am just saying it could be chaotic. Honestly, it matters about the subjects and not the leaders. It the subjects are willing to listen to the leader then ever thing is fine. If not, then there will be revolutions and wars.

    I'd choose the Assassins because of the choice. They have the discipline to control themselves from urges and actually appear to give a hoot about humanity. Though, I'd want to be in the Templars because they would actually have the funding and resources to sustain their lifestyles. If we could take the Assassin's discipline and empathy, and mix it with the ability to control and their resources, then we'd be golden.
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    It wouldn't be chaotic because the assassins, within their own community, live a
    life of rigerous discipline. If the world would naturally have this mutual understanding
    of life and the basic architecture of civilization. Mankind would most likely head
    towards a better path than if they were forced to do something against there will.
    People must be taught and shown through example, not force. Look at all the
    totalitarian regimes from china in the early 1900 to cuba in 1967 to syria 2012...
    All regimes that are made to force people to obey and is totalitarian end up in
    revolution for what you may ask...for freedom to choose how to live their own lives
    and coexist with eachother and survive...with some stains like serial killers and
    Templars running lose. ;P

    one man should not have the ability to have so much power. This only happens because we have this system of heirarchy and this naturally tends to make people believe that they are different than everybody else because they have some form of special merit that they sometimes didn't earn...it was usually a birthright like being born to a rich family, you did not earn it, you lucked out. So we really never know who or how a certain tyrant got into power, so I say NO! to Templar rule lol

    EDIT: BTW freedom does not correlate with chaos that is a common misconception. Ruled by force has more of a correlation to chaos. From teenagers to adults, anyone who is forced a lifestyle against their will tend to be more rebellious than if they were to be left to freely choose to make their own decisions. Look at tibet free thinker society of buddhists...the only problem they are having is coming from china that does not like free thinkers because free thinkers, like assassins, can influence people to break free from the grips of government delusions. I mean look at the story of jesus or martin luther king jr. or ghandi...killed for what ? they were all free from the ignorance of their respective social time and location whether it be racial ignorance, violent outburst of retaliation, or spiritual enlightenment. Chaos heightens when order tends to start to be enforced in human society, and when order becomes too suffocating, what happen as a result is chaos within human society

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    I would like to take over the world with a golden apple. Sounds fun, I might try it some time.
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