Also related to "button mashing", I've noticed on some solos that I was overwhelmed by when they came up, or when I lost my place on the fret board was that I could play garbage and still get a bunch of notes to register. It's possible to get enough right to not level down and "master" something. Not that I'd get a real sense of achievement out of it, but it's possible.
Originally Posted by SeattleSauve
I agree with you there. I do think you underestimate how skilled on the guitar you are though.
Also from that seth chapla video I saw posted a few times, it really looks like he's button mashing himself. I don't think he's going "okay okay, 19 14 12 19 12 19 12 19 14 12" in his head
Well it's his song so he knows it by muscle memory (we're talking about Jules right?)
Yes!! Posted asking about this a week or 2 ago hoping someone would have more ingenuity figuring it out than I was able to muster. Thanks derrick and xX! Don't plan on needing it a lot, but the SSB bridge is calling
Speaking of which-- I just finally mastered SSB (played it over and over and over til I got it.) I'm in the sh-ELX club now....mastered every on disc song in the game!!! !!!
Songs I mastered with cheating (leveler bug):
Songs I didn't use the leveler bug on:
Though you did get creative on Ricochet
Originally Posted by xX Alucard
Nonetheless, that is an amazing achievement man. Especially since you mentioned you haven't played guitar for all that long... Are you a machine or something?
I have kinda mixed feelings about this 'leveler bug', but personally, I don't see anything wrong with using it, because as many others have pointed out, you still have to develop skill to play well enough to get over 100k (although a few songs are easier to score over 100k on than they should be, while others are harder than they should be). I haven't been participating in the weekly challenges, but I definitely see where this would affect those a bit. The only RS leaderboard site that I really use is the one that I think was originally set up by Ziggy. I've been #2 there for a while now behind pick_pocket, so I imagine he's the only person who really cares if I use the leveler bug.
In my opinion, mastering a song doesn't mean being able to play 100% of the notes from the original recording with 100% accuracy. So, I really don't think it should matter at all. The only thing the leveler bug does for me is to make it possible for me to master a couple songs that I played well enough to score over 100k, but just didn't have a section or two leveled up. As we all know, some songs are less forgiving than others, so I really felt that a few of them should have been mastered, regardless of whether RS said I could play each section to 100%. Sunshine of Your Love, I think, is the perfect example for this, but there are many others. There are a couple songs with extremely difficult solos that go on for well over 30 seconds, when they should have been broken into smaller bits. I can't understand why the Freebird solo was broken up into 33 parts, while some other solos are just 1 part. But I sure was glad to be able to finally unlock solo 31 and 32, which were the only ones still giving me a hard time.
So, I confess. I'm gonna use the leveler bug to unlock 100% of the notes, so I can unlock master mode for the songs I'm able to score over 100k on. I had been having trouble getting the Good Enough solo to 100%, but was still scoring over 140k in NMM. To me, that's just silly. There seems to be a few major inconsistencies in the way the songs are scored, so even with the bug, it will still be difficult to master some songs. Hell, I already had Well OK Honey leveled to 100% but I can't seem to get it to 100k for the life of me.
Originally Posted by SeattleSauve
Yeah I forgot I cheated with a capo on the Ricochet single note arrangement
I'm not really that special, or that good. Just started *actually* playing guitar when the game came out. My dad tried to teach me a few times beforehand, since he's been playing for 30 years, but he was a really, really bad teacher. I didn't learn anything and got bored with his random "finger exercises" and verbal tab instructions. I also tried a guitar lesson once, but it produced the same results. I'm sure there are a few actual GOOD guitar instructors out there-- but the majority seem to...really suck (no offense if anyone on the forum teaches guitar.)
Playing guitar well doesn't = being good at teaching it. This game basically taught me everything-- the most important thing being able to test my timing and accuracy against something consistent. The worst thing about human teachers is that they are inconsistent with showing you how fast you need to play something or what the correct way is to play something, especially when they throw in "well you COULD play this but you get a similar sound playing THIS, it's all up to you"...stuff like that.
The game helped by showing me a basic setup of where my fingers *should* be, showing me how fast I need to play, and whether I'm accurate or not. I know the game has it's flaws, but it's definitely more accurate than a human would be 99% of the time (in showing me how much I played right or wrong.)
Anyways, besides plugging the game like I'm getting paid for a commercial, I think it's all in how you practice.
For some reason a lot of [bad] human guitar instructors tell you "Oh don't worry, it all takes time. With Time you'll get it. 10,000 hours of practice will make you a good guitarist..." etc, etc. But that's simply not true. If anything, time will do absolutely nothing-- time is merely a RESULT of how long it took you to learn something. Time is not the reason you learned something. I don't know why a lot of people repeat the same vague, unhelpful statement over and over-- especially if they know how to play guitar well. It always strikes me as a form of insanity-- that they should know better than say something like that.
But it's not the time, it's the method you use to practice. And I would simply slow down the song, and find a way to play that would feel easy. Almost like playing chess or something. Like in Stone Cold Crazy-- solo 3-- I thought it was impossible to play that fast. So at first I tried just strumming when I had to, and letting the pull-offs register for everything else. But that was stressful and inconsistent. So I learned a method of alternate strumming where I down-strummed the first 2 notes of the triplets (on the B and G string) kind of like I would normally strum a chord, and alternate strum the 3rd pull-off note backwards. So it was like 2 strums down and up, instead of down down up. Once I figured that out...it made practicing 1000x easier-- I would've leveled it up much sooner if it allowed us to miss even one note. I just had to figure out the right way to play. I could've spent hours and hours practicing the stressful WRONG way of down-strumming everything, or trying to let the pull-offs register, or some other incorrect method that felt way too straining for me. Maybe after 1000 hours I could play it once like that. But if I find a way that is probably more realistic and correct, then time isn't nearly as much of a factor-- it's just discovering an easy way to do it.
So anyways, long story short, I think I'm an example of time NOT being the factor. I've only played guitar for 8 months, and I'm not a super genius prodigy who's mom is Nancy Wilson. I just used the game to help me find the right way to practice songs I wanted to learn. No finger exercises, no guitar theory, no idea what the correct names of chords are. Just good old fashioned "practice what the song actually is that I want to learn."
And rocksmith allowed me to do all that
So you only been playing since the game came out and you have every arrangement mastered? How much do you practice a day? That is ridiculous I practice like 2 hours a day and I thought I was on a good pace of getting better, but your a freak that is impressive. I admit I never played anything before the game came out but if you have mastered some of the toughest songs that is hard to do.
Originally Posted by xX Alucard
After failing to bend one note upon every riff repeater solo attempt for "Slither" I remembered to check this thread to find a way to level up the section. Now the solo is at 60% rather than 47%. Gotta admit I'm thankful. Playing the solo so many times just by itself just aint the same compared to playing the full song and building up momentum.
Last edited by DreamAwake; 07-12-2012 at 06:48 AM.