Thank you Mintage for stepping in, my intentions were not to fall out with Swoosh in a forum, I know of the name as I said but my point was a simple one that the editor is not only used for standard fighting maps anymore - even though the game is 1st and foremost a First Person Shooter there are all kinds of stuff now been made - you understand that I am sure.
However the debate with Swoosh got me thinking and I started reading old articles and old videos of the FC3 multiplayer stuff from April, I really believe that you competitive guys are going to get a hell of a game with FC3 - it sound's like those that play as a team are really going to be able to shine and this should force others to also adapt that approach otherwise they will IMO lose badly - Been organized and knowing just when to use the battle cry and which one to select, which skills to put with which weapon class you created and knowing what weapons and skills / battle cry's your team mates have will be vital in working together in an efficient manner.
My solo leg it forward shooting and get taken down because I am on my own simply counts for nothing, and going out into open stretches requires someone watching your back - I think it will make for really organized and tactical battles.
It is time for us all to adapt to and embrace the changes, Massive have taken a lot of criticism on these forums and 99.9% of us have not even had a go on the game yet - the more I read now the more I am up for Far Cry 3 and I think in what they are trying to do with the multiplayer side in forcing Team Play - if they have got it right and it works then other games will have to look at this and maybe follow suit.
As for the FCIP / FC2 Maps - you are correct, I have built a lot that are more made for the run and gun type player, but I often try to do a lot of different types of map - us map makers can be selfish at times, There are a lot of maps out there which could have maybe been so much better with small changes and these Clans could have missed out on some good matches had the maps been altered to meet their needs.
The contest with Embassy was with Genesis Device who are now under the name gamermade.com (I think) That was for 2 teams of 4 players if I remember right.
As for the Seek & Secure Contest I think these games go through phases with map builders and back then there were some smaller maps and indoor type maps that were getting a lot of attention, also there was that ladder glitch and maps with eye candy that got noticed too, where some others maybe could have maybe excelled a lot more in the gameplay stakes with more players if they were played correctly (I agree - there are always lessons to learn)
As I am typing Taylor who owns fcmaps is actually coding on the new site.
This is getting to a stage where it will be ready sooner then later but I am clueless on an exact date as I just do the forum stuff - but the site is going to be so much better, I am unsure if it could ever meet the needs of competitive clans (we also have a language barrier which might not be cool to some of those on the Xbox Forums that like the trash talk side)
Who knows maybe some things can be done which would help us all - I don't want to say anything now but we have some stuff planned already which I have discussed with Mambonuts and CrazyUncleDave so far - It would be nice to see you guys get more exposure but like map makers there is always rivalry that can often go too far, it is keeping everyone happy that is the hard part.
Anyhow thanks for stepping in and posting - I have been in a few matches with you going back a couple of years possibly, generally I just stay quiet - next time I will be a bit more vocal.