Then don't buy it?Originally Posted by Saint_Shield
Why cares about an ages old war now?
Why not just play it as a GAME, generic NPCs are not your ancestors, unless you're a pixel, who cares about what color they wear?
It's like knowing the horse is dead but still sitting on it, thinking you can ride it.
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Where did these casuals come from? Stop invading my AC!
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That's how it looks but stop repeating yourself. They have said over and over "there will be Templars on both sides." Connor is not picking one side over the other period. There is a lot more evidence in interviews about this than there are trailers. It's completely nitpicking over such a small portion of the game. Have you heard "don't judge a book by it's cover"? Apply it to your argument.
Saint shield, what you say about the marketing is correct, but you are the 50th person to bring this up and we are fed up right now. not only that but there are 2 other things:
1) you seem to think that marketing is the game, which is incorrect. and 2) you have not replied to any of the really good posts that have been directed at you. for instance:
You`re one of the biggest hypocrites I`v seen in my life, You speak like you`re some Patriot for your beloved country, like you`re protecting it from some evil agenda aimed at it by a Video game that previously portrayed the killing and "senseless" slaughter of Arabs, French, Byzantines, Ottomans, English, Germans and the list goes on, but did you ever come here and save us from the evil agenda.. this..this Crusade against world countries and nations ?? You claim to be a huge AC fan, and im sure you are, and you know what im talking about, but did you EVER come here and stand up for any of these people being slaughtered ? or being portrayed as evil ??
Many previous trailers showed the killing of many ethnicities and portrayed THEM as evil, why didn't you stand up for that ?? I sit on a man's back, choking him, and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by any means possible, except getting off his back. That is Hypocrisy..
what you are doing right now, except the bit when someone is sitting on your back.. how the HELL would you feel ? JUST THE FREAKIN` SAME !! You come out here talking trash and trying to delude yourself that you have some valid argument ? and when presented with facts and very strong come backs, you just stick to your belief thinking that you`ll go to heaven or be given a Medal..
You lost this argument and any credibility It may have had a long time ago when You did not show disdain at how Ubisoft portrays another Country as evil.. and I know I may piss some people off, but Britain was a Tyrannical nation back then. The Britain of now is very different, but that doesnt change the fact that Britain Oppressed people at some point. Now get your balls out of your purse, and for GOD`S SAKE YOU`RE PLAYING THE GAME NOT THE TRAILER, MAN !!
We do not give a crap what you think, Its your opinion FINE !! but, you made your point the first time..
this was a post made by Assassin M. at first he posted it without paragraphs and you saidthen he edited it, and posted it again and you still did not reply. why? because you read it, and you knew deep down that he was right, but your pride held you back and stopped you from replying because you COULD NOT ACCEPT YOU WERE WRONG."It's a block of text with no paragraphs and no formatting, it's pretty much the rule of the internet wall of texts are a no-no. I'm not being paid to decipher block of texts, format it properly".
i believe that if life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade... And try to find somebody who's life has given them vodka, and have a party.
I think you're just obsessed with games, and take them serious like real-life.....
Not really. There are many forms of nationalism but broadly speaking nationalism involves the identification with a particular culture or group of people. It doesn't have to involve racism. Nationalism and the feeling of national identity is the driving force behind a lot of revolutions throughout history including the American Revolution and the Irish war of independence . It doesn't mean nationalists believe their culture is superior to any other.
Obviously racism and xenophobia can become part of a nationalist ideology like in Nazi germany but nationalism is much broader than the definitions people here are giving. It's a part of practically every government to a certain extent. I'm not defending these guys saying AC3 is anti-british but saying Nationalism = Racism is wrong.
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i see what your saying but here is the official definition of nationalism:
1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.
2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.
3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.
this may not directly link to racism, but nationalism is, by this definition, a selfish belief. To only want to help your own country is wrong in my opinion
i believe that if life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade... And try to find somebody who's life has given them vodka, and have a party.
Regardless, this is not covered by racism. Racism is purely discrimination based on races. Now it can be argued very much how the term "race" is defined, as it is not a scientific term in biology (possibly in anthropology though).
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You're wrong! You've always been wrong and you always will be. Also, you're ugly and you don't have any friends!
...or you're right.
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It literally can't be nationalism because barely anyone at ubisoft is american, expecially not people who would make marketing decisions. And it's not "helping" a country, it's marketing it to attract the largest user base. It's standard buisness practice. It's not like the devs are lying or anything, many have admitted that the promotional material appears skewed, but they have NOTHING to do with that, and boycotting or badmouthing the game that they created simply because the higher-ups are representing it in an innacurate fashion is kinda terrible. Why would you do that? wait for a review, and it it matches what you expect, don't buy the thing if it's really that big a deal. And there were some attempts to represent properly, what with Connor's explanations of "let the patriots fight for themselves" and "regardless of allegiance" and his doubt of the patriot's intentions.
In the end, why would it be such a big deal if it were pro-american? Most games only let you play for one side of a conflict, and it's not as if games are notorious for crapping on redcoats. There are hardly any games in this period.
Not to mention the quote in my sig. It's a rather clear and open criticism of the American Revolution
Jesus!!! I’m normally a passive reader of these forums, but this debate is beyond a joke and needs an injection of sanity!
It seems to me that it really doesn’t matter if it’s racism or nationalism, or if its civil war or revolutionary war, both these arguments are flawed and far from the point of the disgruntled gamers which is that some loyal customers of the game now feel offended and upset by somewhat insensitive timing and portrayal of the game. If that’s how they feel, they have a right to express it. It’s no good telling them “don’t like it – don’t buy it” they have been loyal to the makers buying previous games and the makers should to listen to their sentiments, which in all fairness they are doing.
Debate ensures that the industry does not get out of hand making games that sicken and cause great offence, stepping over the boundaries of civil society. Debate is important to the industry and thank God the makers don’t ignorantly turn around telling people “don’t like it – don’t buy it”.
Oh and while I’m venting...
(1) Most definitions of racism worldwide do include discrimination of nationality. Frankly, discrimination is discrimination whatever you call it. I doubt most people even care about the definition, they know what people mean by it and it’s that what matters.
(2) Whether the American Revolution was a civil war or a genuine revolution is debatable and is debated by very highly educated historians. Civil war or revolution is a matter of opinion.
(3) Nationalism does not base itself on a hatred of others. A Nationalist is not a Nationalist simply because they hate all other nationalities. If that were the case there wouldn’t be strong networks of Nationalists across the globe, but there are, so this argument falls at the first hurdled.
Finally, someone isn’t wrong because their opinion differs to yours! Doing a bit of fascist toe dipping are we? Hmmm
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