What countries are all of you from? | Forums

[logik1911]

I'm curious because uBISOFT keeps trending this series in a more Hollywood direction with all of the cliches (all bad guys have AK-47s, Sam is a brazen, unbeatable killing machine, the initial plot of Blacklist with one man both leading an agency AND being in the field, etc), and pro American war stuff but I get the impression that many of you are from outside of the US. I'm a New Yorker myself and appreciate some of the tidbits you all share when going over details of other countries militaries, weapons, special forces/ops methods, spy agencies, etc...there's a real international bent to these forums, so just wanted a general idea of who were the ones playing this game and being the most vocal about it on here and how you all feel about the presentation.

On another note, one of the things i appreciated about Conviction's CO-Op story was the dynamic between Archer and Kestrel...both were evenly matched, highly skilled, and weren't drawn out as propaganda caricatures. I'd like to see more elements like that moving ahead. I mean yes, American special ops are supposed to be the best but so are russian, british, israeli, and who knows where else.

[BoBwUzHeRe1138]

I'm American. Californian. Actually close to LA haha but I don't like the hollywood aspects of the games. They're pro-american sure but um...Sam's american and he works for the NSA -- it kind of has to be patriotic for americans. Does that mean every bad guy needs to be a caricature? No. Have they been? Yes and no. Some of the enemies in the first game and others weren't really fleshed out but Shetland and dufraisne each dislike what America has "become" in their eyes. Blacklist even cites that 2/3 of the countries in the world have american troops in them and that the plot is that these nations want US OUT. Is that a bad thing? To want to be free of what many view as american imperialism? God no. We shove our noses in everyones business and look at what its got us. A lot of the world started hating us after Bush and relations have simmered down after Obama took over and he has started pulling american troops out of Iraq and stuff. I'm not here to start a political flame war on who's better: Bush or Obama but my point is...the games antagonists sometimes make good points but go about it in terrible ways. Think of it this way...in court, you can have brilliant reasons for why the other person is wrong...but if you start cussing and yelling and losing your cool -- they will never take you seriously and will side with the other guy (most likely). Same thing here....they have good ideas but hostage taking and threats basically cancels out your original intent.

[CamberGreber]

I am from Texas and I do not like the Hollywood direction every single game has been taking now a day.

I am a loyal american but... I can't stand all the ignorant American Exceptionalism focus in every game. Jeezz developers give it a rest.

[logik1911]

The interesting thing is, when you read actual Tom Clancy novels, he gushes over the special ops of every single other country and (including Russia, for which he has tremendous respect) and goes into detail about some of their experiences. Not trying to start a flame war by any means-we're all friends or at least friendly on these boards-,just wanted to know how the international crowd saw the depictions in the Ubisoft TC universe, particularly in SC, and to see how the SC fanbase was dispersed around the globe.

and once again, Kestrel is one of my fave characters in the SC Universe so it's not like no attention was paid to the capabilities of foreign agents.

[Andre202]

Coming from Germany, born in Russia, which means I have the possibility to have a much wider range of sources I can read and compare and come hopefully to a conclusion which is near to the truth of what is going on in our world which is pretty difficult in a time where it feels like an information warfare is going on.

As Blacklist does go back into geopolitical problems I do not like which theme it has choosen though. At least I am not sure if I like it, but from what I have heard it just hears like the America is the victim and therefore has the right to be in those countries where it shouldn't be. Of course it's not in war with every country there, which doesn't make it better though. So it does look like the "rouge" nations which is also completely wrong to say in my opinion, because I would think rather of terror groups as opposed to "rouge" nations which at the end aren't "rouge" but the press does present it that way, are not allowed to defend themselfs. In such a Splinter Cell game which does really take this theme for it's story they really need to go sure they read a lot of news what really is going on in this world. I would expect from Sam to make huge pressure on the president to get at least out of the countries they are in war with. Sam also represents the Seal or if you want the veterans in America and a lot of them do not agree what the government is doing at the moment. More and more are going out and criticize them and even do throw there war order away because they feel guilty of what they have done in other countries when they were in service. If this things aren't represented in a way, I am not sure if I would declare such a story more of a propaganda. Sure I need to know much more of the story before I do say this. After playing I will do my judgement about this.

So I really expect to see critic from Sam here and not just simple defending America's interest or rather the interest of the government. Although, actually the agency would never be the one who really solve the problem, here preventing the Blacklist. They would just pass the information to the military so they can keep care of these attacks. I don't think that's what 3E or 4E should do. That's why the people in previous titles made always clear that you are not actually alone doing the work. You as an operative do you your job by getting the information the government needs who then pass the information to further organisations who work all together in the end to handle this situation and to prevent the Blacklist. The only thing Sam would need to do is gathering the information.

[shobhit7777777]

I'm not really surprised about the American overrepresentation in games

It's born out of the prevalence of the American entertainment media (books, movies, TV shows) all over the world. When I think of a prototypical tough guy spy...I immediately think of an American (Race notwithstanding) working for the triple letter agencies.

Most spy/action movies I have seen are Hollywood produced with Americans as the protagonists. Shows like Future Weapons are American (Sorta) showcasing the uber-sexy military hardware. TV series like Band of Brothers and the Pacific...all American. News and media reports on American military prowess.

Fact is America is a super-power...and it's super power is its SOFT POWER. It packs a solid cultural punch with its movies, shows, books and entertainment industry. We have all been exposed to this and a stereotype has been established. It is now become a trope. A guideline of sorts. An American protagonist is more believable and acceptable not only because we perceive them to be omnipotent but also because we have become accustomed to it.

I'm pretty sure that if the erstwhile USSR was the victor of the Cold War you would have had 'Ivan Fisherikov' working as a spy for '

krasnyĭ molotok'

I'm pretty sure that no one really believes that "US is the best!" but we can easily accept an american protagonist..as it is more plausible. For me believability is really important...and given the current geopolitical scenario....I have no problems as playing as an American Soldier.

[BoBwUzHeRe1138]

Shobit...where are you from though? xD

[Andre202]

I don't think you can say you win the cold war or you lose it. Russia was just to naive to trust into them (western countries) that they won't expand to the east which western countries did anyway afterwards and russia did suffer from that. I think we are inbetween the time of the cold war (beginning) and a hot war (more or less the end). I don't think the cold war really ended at all because of all these prejudices which are still present.

I am not really angry about Sam Fisher being American. I am worried about him not criticizing what the american government is doing, which he did in previous games. Or it at least he viewed these issues objectively.

[shobhit7777777]

Shobit...where are you from though? xD

LOL

Sorry, forgot to mention that....But I thought the my 'Location' would be a hint. (Look left and tell me what you see?) Unless of course if you're joking..in that case..LOL


@Andre

Dude, Russia is many things...Naive it is not. It tried a socio-economic experiment and failed..simples.

You know the funny thing is.despite the USSR's collapse we are still living in a Bi-polar world. US and its allies on one side and the 'Blacklist' Nations (as a collective) on one.

[BoBwUzHeRe1138]

And....wow no not a joke. It's 3 in the morning here. I'm tired haha

But that's cool haha. I always did find it funny that a bunch of Canadians made the game about America when America always portrays them as silly and dorky -- which is untrue obviously but still. haha (x