06-14-2012, 04:57 AM
I'll be waiting until it hits the pre-owned rack. If Ubi can't or won't give longtime fans of the franchise what they want (and what the game deserves) my money will go to Gamestop instead. Sort of how I loaned my copy of ME3 out to friends that wanted to play the game...I didn't think they needed to pay for the disappointment.
06-14-2012, 05:52 AM
I am a big fan of splinter cell. I've played the games and am currently reading the books. Splinter Cell conviction is my favorite game (overall). I especially loved the way it combined the stealth and the front-on confrontation and that it had a strong emotional story line. I can even recite the opening and ending cutscences, and the cutsence where Sam confronts Grim in the 3rd Echelon HQ over video conference. When I heard about Splinter Cell Blacklist, I was super excited. I assumed Ubisoft would do the same great things they did with Conviction. Then I saw the E3 gameplay trailer. At first I kinda felt like it wasn't splinter cell (how it was head on in broad daylight) and that kinda disappointed me. But then I heard Sam's voice. I couldn't believe it. I played it like 10 times over to see if I heard right. I couldn't believe Ironside wasn't voicing Sam. It just wasn't the same at all. I then looked it up and saw they replaced him so they could do better facial expressions and animations with a body suit. I WAS PISSED. YOU GUYS CANT REPLACE HIM JUST BECAUSE HE DOESNT LOOK LIKE SAM PHYSICALLY. SCREW THE MORE ACCURATE BODY ANIMATIONS, WE WANT THE REAL SAM BACK. YOU CANT REPLACE HIS VOICE LIKE THAT. ITS LIKE IF A TV SHOW REPLACED THE LEADING CHARACTOR'S ACTOR AND TRIED TO SAY ITS THE SAME GUY. GET IRONSIDE BACK, OR THIS GAME WILL GET 0% SALES OR SUPPORT FROM SPLINTER CELL'S FANS. Sorry its kind of a long post, but that's how I feel.
06-14-2012, 11:50 AM
What the hell does it matter if its during the day or night?Everybody can lurk around in the dark,only the professionals can do it in broad daylight.
Originally Posted by scoman4
06-17-2012, 06:58 AM
I completely agree
I have been a long time Splinter Cell fan, and I must agree with this petition. Sam simply is not Sam Fisher without Michael Ironside's voice. The voice is part of what makes this character. I think I can speak for many people in saying that I will boycott Splinter Cell games if I cannot get my classic Sam Fisher "feel" out of the game I have loved for so long.
If Ubisoft seriously listens to their fans, then they need to do everything in their power to save the Splinter Cell series. I do not even mind a push-back on the release date if it means Michael Ironside will voice Sam.
06-17-2012, 07:56 AM
Sam Fisher is simply not the same without Ironside. A Sam Fisher not voiced by Micheal Ironside lacks the intensity and gravity of the character. Changing the character's voice now for a lame reason is a slap in the face to fans of the series. I understand that games are using motion capture and voice acting simultaneously more and more these days. However, Splinter Cell has a well established continuity over five games from over a decade. Michael Ironside's voice is now synonymous with Sam Fisher. It honestly cannot be too difficult to record Ironside and dub him in separate from the mo-cap. That is, after all, how every Splinter Cell game in the past has done it.
I would actually have been fine with a new character for the series. The voice could be Eric Johnson's, the plot the same, but simply a different look and name to the main character. It would be bittersweet but more acceptable.
As hard as it is to say, I will not be buying Splinter Cell Blacklist if Ironside truly is no longer the voice of Sam Fisher. And I don't mean that in the way people talked about boycotting Modern Warfare 3; I seriously intend to vote with my wallet.
06-17-2012, 07:56 PM
Shame, shame, shame Ubi! After watching the trailers several times over I think it is safe to say you aren’t just changing Sam’s voice, you are overhauling his personality altogether. There are already a lot of people who complained about the new ‘action stealth’ gameplay of Conviction because it is not the Splinter Cell that they know and love. While I enjoy the new gameplay myself, what you are doing to the character of Sam Fisher – to the man who projected the grit and authenticity that made Sam who he is – is totally abhorred!
Remember what Ironside himself said in your own video Ubi… in the beginning Sam’s character was “shallow”. It is thanks to HIM that so many of us could visualize and believe in Sam’s character without emphasis on his backstory. You all even felt compelled to add the “Sam Fisher interview” as a part of the original Splinter Cell game in order to sell the persona of his character (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXTv8WTe0SA). Apparently over time your appreciation for what Ironside adds to the experience of playing the game has died out. Your own developers have even said in past interviews how “badass” it feels to play as Fisher. It’s not just moves, gadgets, and missions that make it fun. The reception of Raiden in the Metal Gear Solid series is a perfect case and point. Same gameplay, okay story, but how much criticism and disgust were created because of fans’ reaction to 1 character? Stripping Sam of his voice – of the character we all love – will strip the series and Ubisoft of its integrity.
I don’t even know where to begin with the reason for the change; you want to “combine face, body, and voice”. Since when is Ironside, who has done great acting and voiceover in the past, incapable of bringing the “physicality, breathiness, and exertion” to the dialogue? Is it because he is getting older? Have him walk a flight or two of stairs and then act. Did that sound ridiculous? I hope so because that is how moronic your excuse sounds to all of us. The video that you, Ubisoft, posted only signifies your concern and the need to attempt to soften the blow early on before release date.
Eric Johnson is “not trying to be a Sam Fisher from the past”. Actually, that was the only way I was accepting of the new voice… until I realized we weren’t playing as a young Fisher, reliving arduous missions from his past. If you want to bring new lifeblood “with something marketable” into the series then introduce a new character – as some people here have already suggested. It would be more practical and thus more readily accepted. I’m sorry but with the loss of Ironside as the heart and soul (NOT body) of Sam Fisher, my love for this series is gone!
06-18-2012, 03:17 PM
As far as I'm concerned, the personal journey of Sam Fisher (Michael Ironside) ended in Conviction with the destruction of 3rd Echelon and the return of his daughter.
For Blacklist, he should have become the new, not-in-the-field Director of 4th Echelon (your advisor) with Grim at his side and a new protege/protagonist should have taken up were he left off. If they truly wanted to refresh the series, that would have been the best compromise.
I also thought Deniable Ops was and still is some of the best co-op fun I've ever played and should have been spun-off as its own game.
Since none of this will be happening i.e. no Michael Ironside, no Deniable Ops, and the incomprehensible and outrageous decision to de-age Sam Fisher with a new voice continues to stand, I will not be buying anymore Splinter Cell games. I am content to imagine that Sam retired post-Conviction and that was the end of it.
Hopefully something else will rise up to fill the gaping hole Ubisoft has created with the loss of the true Splinter Cell franchise.
Last edited by zeuslgn; 06-18-2012 at 03:20 PM.
06-18-2012, 04:48 PM
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard the E3 trailer... what a disappointment! One of my favourite things, if not the favourite thing, about the Splinter Cell games is Michael Ironside as Sam Fisher, it's probably the main reason I keep buying the games. Ubisoft have really messed up big time here, this won't be a Splinter Cell game no matter how they try to justify it.
I do hope they're pulling our collective legs and the final game will be released with Michael as Sam... as it should be.
Also notice how many first time posters have signed up just to express their disgust...
Last edited by Sven2400; 06-18-2012 at 04:51 PM.
06-18-2012, 10:20 PM
It's good to hear that there are plenty of others who feel strongly about Ironside no longer voicing Fisher...
@JoelTaft - "...because it destroys the illusions of characters up to this point".
The reason that many people play video games is the same reason many watch movies or read a book - escapism. You can leave behind your life for a few hours; you might have had a stressful day, a boring one, or just have some spare time on your hands. When you turn on your favourite game, you begin a fantasy where you are either in control of, or following the story of one or more characters. When I played SC's 1-4, I was in control of Sam Fisher, the best secret operative in a hush-hush governmental branch that can infiltrate just about anywhere on the planet. The scenarios that the game presented were brilliant entertainment; a combination of cool moves and weapons, exotic locations, intriguing level design and a fantastic soundtrack, coupled with the unique stealth approach offered by the games were unrivalled in my opinion.
However, one of the most fundamental attributes to playing previous Splinter Cell games was the character of Sam Fisher - a man who excels in what he does and does whatever necessary to get a job done, though knows the value of human life and understands what he does is for the greater good. Put simply - a badass, but with values and morals. There are many elements to the SC games that contribute to making it such a fun and dare I say it, fulfilling experience. Though, for me, all of these were held together by the main character. These attributes though, were not only felt through what we were expected to believe from the story-telling and dialogue in the game but cemented firmly by the man behind Fisher; Mr Ironside of course. He literally gave an otherwise generic G.I.Joe character a SOUL. To some, it may sound ridiculous, as it is after all only a game. On the contrary, I believe this is the result of the combination of a great premise (stealth operative), excellent game design from Ubi and equally if not more significant - exceptional acting.
I can understand why Ubi kept Sam Fisher - as he defines Splinter Cell. The mistake though was not realising that Michael Ironside defines Sam Fisher.
06-19-2012, 10:09 AM
Sam is an over the hill veteran soldier, a cynical man and his comments in the previous games, delivered with Ironside's expert voice acting talents really create a good character.
In PT when he refuses to [spoiler]kill dhalia[/spoiler] and he says he'll "sit facing the wall in a cone hat" or whatever, is a classic moment of "Fisher".
But Ironside is opposed to violance and had to be convinced to do conviction. I wonder if that's one of the reason behind the change.
We wont see Ironside back, as sam in the field or as a "lambert" character giving you orders. Ubisoft wont listen to their "fans" (I used to say to people ubisoft were one of the best devs, now im quick to tell people they're not). The only way of protesting is to not buy the game, but the sad truth is this game can not fail as it will be bought by the casual gamer that doesnt care about the legacy