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[infamous_ezio]

This was pretty cool, although their is still a little confusion in my mind..

first of all, i get that he couldn't answer my question about the ACB truth, thats part of AC3, was just a shot of hope xD aha but owell. Now he mentions that TLA was originally meant to be in the game, and the 7 gateways were for this, so we were originally supposed to view it from desmonds POV. But he said they changed it, but why are we viewing it from clays now? and how is desmond going to tell the others about lucy? the original plan was for desmond to find out about her betrayal through those memories, so i'm not sure as to how they will incorperate her betrayal into AC3 considering clay was the only one who knew..

One thing i forgot to ask was about TLA date, when desmond first enters his coma the date is 10th of october 2012, and when you load up TLA you see this same date, i wander if that was just something that wasn't removed seeing as desmond would have visited those memories on that date?

i wish they added the lucy thing to memory 7, a faceless lucy in a wedding dress, i actually would have crapped my pants ahah. Why a wedding dress tho?

[Serrachio]

This was pretty cool, although their is still a little confusion in my mind..

first of all, i get that he couldn't answer my question about the ACB truth, thats part of AC3, was just a shot of hope xD aha but owell. Now he mentions that TLA was originally meant to be in the game, and the 7 gateways were for this, so we were originally supposed to view it from desmonds POV. But he said they changed it, but why are we viewing it from clays now? and how is desmond going to tell the others about lucy? the original plan was for desmond to find out about her betrayal through those memories, so i'm not sure as to how they will incorperate her betrayal into AC3 considering clay was the only one who knew..

One thing i forgot to ask was about TLA date, when desmond first enters his coma the date is 10th of october 2012, and when you load up TLA you see this same date, i wander if that was just something that wasn't removed seeing as desmond would have visited those memories on that date?

i wish they added the lucy thing to memory 7, a faceless lucy in a wedding dress, i actually would have crapped my pants ahah. Why a wedding dress tho?

Desmond's Journey was meant as a replacement for Clay's memories in the main game, saving them for the Lost Archive DLC instead. From the start, what was mentioned in the podcast was that Desmond was supposed to go through all of Clay's memories, instead of them being about him and his escape from the Farm.

Since it was done that way, Desmond doesn't know Lucy was a Templar, but instead that she's dead from the introduction of the game.

[infamous_ezio]

Desmond's Journey was meant as a replacement for Clay's memories in the main game, saving them for the Lost Archive DLC instead. From the start, what was mentioned in the podcast was that Desmond was supposed to go through all of Clay's memories, instead of them being about him and his escape from the Farm.

Since it was done that way, Desmond doesn't know Lucy was a Templar, but instead that she's dead from the introduction of the game.

They should have just chucked it in the game, everything would have been alot simpler. I wander how they will find out bout her betrayal in ac3.

[twenty_glyphs]

That was a great podcast. Thanks for putting it together and thanks to Jeffrey Yohalem for spending so much time answering questions.

I'm glad Jeffrey mentioned the Brotherhood emails from William M. to Lucy being hints towards Lucy's betrayal of the Assassins. I noticed the bit about coming back from lunch and the late time, but wasn't sure if it was a real clue or just a slip up. After finding out the truth behind the footprints in Brotherhood, I don't want to waste time digging too deep into obscure mysteries anymore.

Those emails from William M. to Lucy make much more sense when you think of them being from an Abstergo employee. I wondered why the real William M. would care that Lucy was forming too close of a rapport with Desmond, but it makes obvious sense if it's really someone from Abstergo. The emails also made it look like the Assassins suddenly knew a lot more than they had let on before, but it makes more sense that it's someone from Abstergo who knows much more of the truth so far. It also makes sense that the tapes mentioned were the tapes that Lucy left behind for Vidic when he showed up at the warehouse at the end of AC2.

I also liked Jeffrey's answer about the whole memory within a memory issue from Brotherhood. Even though it still doesn't make much sense about what the "real" genetic memory versus Ezio remembering his own past was, it at least answers the question about what is going on. In the end, knowing the general concept of what was happening there helps me understand it, so that's all that matters for now.

[Serrachio]

I also liked Jeffrey's answer about the whole memory within a memory issue from Brotherhood. Even though it still doesn't make much sense about what the "real" genetic memory versus Ezio remembering his own past was, it at least answers the question about what is going on. In the end, knowing the general concept of what was happening there helps me understand it, so that's all that matters for now.

It kind of confused me at that part. If Ezio stored the Piece of Eden in 1506, and the fight with Cesare was in 1507, how could he somehow "remember" the fight that he would have one year after in 1507 while storing the Apple away in 1506?

Was it that when Desmond tried to access the part in Ezio's life with the Apple's location (Colosseum Vault), it shunted him into the 1507 memory where Ezio was fighting Cesare, but because he would remember the Apple's location later when Cesare was thrown from the wall, it corrupted part of the memory?

After that, once Desmond relived through the Siege of Viana, he could clearly see the memory that Ezio was reflecting back on after Cesare's demise, and the weird red Animus effects were when it relocated Desmond along Ezio remembering the event to view it?

[twenty_glyphs]

It kind of confused me at that part. If Ezio stored the Piece of Eden in 1506, and the fight with Cesare was in 1507, how could he somehow "remember" the fight that he would have one year after in 1507 while storing the Apple away in 1506?

Was it that when Desmond tried to access the part in Ezio's life with the Apple's location (Colosseum Vault), it shunted him into the 1507 memory where Ezio was fighting Cesare, but because he would remember the Apple's location later when Cesare was thrown from the wall, it corrupted part of the memory?

After that, once Desmond relived through the Siege of Viana, he could clearly see the memory that Ezio was reflecting back on after Cesare's demise, and the weird red Animus effects were when it relocated Desmond along Ezio remembering the event to view it?

Yeah, that's what still doesn't make sense no matter how I think of it. If I understand Jeffrey right, he ends up saying that while Ezio is hiding the Apple, he remembers the final fight with Cesare, and while he's fighting Cesare, he remembers the rest of the game starting in 1499 with Minerva's speech and leading back up to the fight with Cesare. That still does not explain how he was able to "remember" the future while hiding the Apple.

Jeffrey also says that after Ezio throws Cesare off the wall, he's pulled back to the real memory of him hiding the Apple. He also mentions that Ezio is using the Apple at the point that he's hiding it. The only thing that makes sense and fits what was said is if Ezio uses the Apple to see a detailed version of the 1507 events while he's hiding it in 1505 (they say 1506 in the podcast, but the novel and Da Vinci Disappearance DLC imply that the Apple was hidden in 1505), and that the vision of the future then contains Ezio remembering the events that led up to the fight with Cesare.

After mulling it over some, the only thing that really makes sense to me is the following: Rebecca tries to access Ezio's memory of hiding the Apple in 1505 or 1506. While Ezio is hiding the Apple, he uses it to see a vision of the future to find Cesare, and it shows him how to find Cesare and also shows him the vision of Cesare's final speech. This vision confuses the Animus, causing it to try to jump to the 1507 memory of the fight with Cesare. While replaying that memory, Ezio then remembers the important events that led up to his fight with Cesare, which includes basically the whole game's story and explains why events from 1504-1506 are missing, and why the game jumps from the memory of Cesare's arrest straight to Ezio fighting him. When Desmond completes Ezio's 1507 memory leading up to Cesare's speech, the Animus can finally sort the memories out and sends Desmond back to complete the memory of hiding the Apple.

This is still pretty confusing and probably not even correct. But at the end of the day, I realize the following: the writers needed a story excuse for why Desmond can't just jump straight to Ezio's memory of hiding the Apple, thus justifying telling the entire story in the past, and they didn't want to use the same reason from AC1 since Desmond was already well synchronized with Ezio. The memory within a memory device was used as the reason why Desmond had to relive all of Ezio's story in Brotherhood to find the target memory. After a year and a half of wondering, this is mostly good enough for me and fits the story as presented in the game.

[GLHS]

Yeah, that's what still doesn't make sense no matter how I think of it. If I understand Jeffrey right, he ends up saying that while Ezio is hiding the Apple, he remembers the final fight with Cesare, and while he's fighting Cesare, he remembers the rest of the game starting in 1499 with Minerva's speech and leading back up to the fight with Cesare. That still does not explain how he was able to "remember" the future while hiding the Apple.

Jeffrey also says that after Ezio throws Cesare off the wall, he's pulled back to the real memory of him hiding the Apple. He also mentions that Ezio is using the Apple at the point that he's hiding it. The only thing that makes sense and fits what was said is if Ezio uses the Apple to see a detailed version of the 1507 events while he's hiding it in 1505 (they say 1506 in the podcast, but the novel and Da Vinci Disappearance DLC imply that the Apple was hidden in 1505), and that the vision of the future then contains Ezio remembering the events that led up to the fight with Cesare.

After mulling it over some, the only thing that really makes sense to me is the following: Rebecca tries to access Ezio's memory of hiding the Apple in 1505 or 1506. While Ezio is hiding the Apple, he uses it to see a vision of the future to find Cesare, and it shows him how to find Cesare and also shows him the vision of Cesare's final speech. This vision confuses the Animus, causing it to try to jump to the 1507 memory of the fight with Cesare. While replaying that memory, Ezio then remembers the important events that led up to his fight with Cesare, which includes basically the whole game's story and explains why events from 1504-1506 are missing, and why the game jumps from the memory of Cesare's arrest straight to Ezio fighting him. When Desmond completes Ezio's 1507 memory leading up to Cesare's speech, the Animus can finally sort the memories out and sends Desmond back to complete the memory of hiding the Apple.

This is still pretty confusing and probably not even correct. But at the end of the day, I realize the following: the writers needed a story excuse for why Desmond can't just jump straight to Ezio's memory of hiding the Apple, thus justifying telling the entire story in the past, and they didn't want to use the same reason from AC1 since Desmond was already well synchronized with Ezio. The memory within a memory device was used as the reason why Desmond had to relive all of Ezio's story in Brotherhood to find the target memory. After a year and a half of wondering, this is mostly good enough for me and fits the story as presented in the game.

Yeah, see I just thought it was b/c Ezio's mind was repressing memories, so Desmond essentially had to go through everything to basically repair his mind and allow him to synch with Ezio's memory of hiding the Apple. Once Ezio was more in synch with his own memories, that allowed him hiding the Apple to become accessible. I guess he was "remembering something else" b/c he hadn't gone back through and essentially repaired his own mind, so he was shown the fight with Cesare instead.

[OriginalMiles]

It's nice to know that TLA was going to be part of the main game, and that Desmond would find out about Lucy.

[De Filosoof]

It's nice to know that TLA was going to be part of the main game, and that Desmond would find out about Lucy.

It was quite obvious though...
When you watch the first Desmond journey trailer it was clear that it was going to be very different at first.
Notice the red texts, it says Lucy, you will know the truth at one point. There's also a red text that says, the end is the beginning,
i wonder what that means. Maybe it has something to do with the ending of AC3.

[OriginalMiles]

It was quite obvious though...
When you watch the first Desmond journey trailer it was clear that it was going to be very different at first
(Notice the red texts, it says Lucy, you will know the truth at one point).

I remember that trailer, I'm still listening to the Podcast, does it say why it was removed from the game?

EDIT: A bit further along now, so Lucy being a Templar was planned since AC2?