On one hand, I can understand the "silent majority" as I was a large part of that up until a couple of weeks ago when I decided I wanted to start mapmaking (and found the mapmaking forum all but dead). I started to post things out of hope though that something actually will be done about the game and that things will be improved on.
I think in this regard people fall into one of two categories. The first wants a game similar to HOMM 3 (which I enjoyed greatly, first game of the series that I played and I loved it.). I suppose this is what I see all over the forum as the "old" and "loyal" fans. The second is much more ambivalent about the exact mechanics, but wants a good game in general. Keep in mind this is just what I think I've seen, and you may or may not agree.
For my part, I think I fall into the second category. I enjoy HOMM VI. I think *most* of the changes are fun and make the game work, although some are implemented very poorly (i.e skill trees). I think if some of them were tweaked they could be much better. For example, my favorite part of heroes 4 and 5 was the character development. I would start a new game with a build in mind, and would spend the game having a blast creating the hero. You can't really do that in VI as everything looks the same late game.
However, I think there are already some very good things. The map editor, if you have the patience to figure it out, is incredibly powerful, and I think that if the game does improve through patches/expansions we will see much more content from both ubisoft and the community.
i know they are spending money on it and that's the weird thing. if a patch is to come it is welcome. but i can't understand how a company that showed that it doesn't care about its image (with all the bad PR and and a heavily bugged game at the release) will actually go and fix this game so they can expect people to buy expansions and stuff. i mean if they think so ahead how couldn't they see how this game was flawed?
Originally Posted by KaeYoss
i know i sound bitter and a negative nancy but my logic dictates (over the facts that i mention above) that they are not going to do something drastic to fix the game! just some patches with small fixes here and there to keep us going. it's sad.
still i might be wrong and time will tell, but with the current data that seems to be the most logical explanation.
Well that's exactly it, the answers themselves are very iffy and quite vague on what can and will be done and as you can see any requests for clarification do not get answers. The way i see it, it can go one of two ways. First, as you said, they might just throw a bit of "paint" over the ugly spots and leave it at that, and all this is just empty promises, and i honestly hope this is not the case. Or two, they are doing this in an attempt to lose as few customers over this as possible, mind you that quite a few people have said they will never buy another Ubisoft game again for various reason that revolved around this one, be it the idiotic DRM, the crappy support or the state of the game.
Originally Posted by chrsdvs
Ok...i'm back and be honest i did not read all above...only diagonally...i want to answer some things to mr. KaeYoss:
at first - i'm fan of many games and series since 1997...I know and love a lot of games and genres mb even more than myself and my life...no joke here...and that is very hard for me to see once again this title in ruin...h4? - was end for 3DO and many of real fans knows why; h5 - was so promising, but lack of "focusing" and simple "care" ruin it in just one year after release...
h6...must to admit i like it...like you guys...it is very nice game with giant potential...
but i understand how this world (in which we all living) works...i know many companies and Ubi especially by their "choices" which they make last 5 years...this company focusing only profit...nothing else...if you see something good - it is from devs...that is their initiative...not Ubi's...all they do is money...when they can't get profit - they stop wasting money on project and close it...
you can be not agree with me with my position in this question and i understand your reasons....cause i really wish to see this project be alive...for real...
but that is just a dream which just can't to come true...and i feel a pain each time when realize it again and again...just cause it is our reality...
how much they can do what you think? for real? I rely only on facts...and what I have? or what we have?
-a lot of broken creature/hero abilities (so we can't even start to think about balance...) (I'm not talking about single...for me all single games are free! I buy only MP games to play with my friends...and this game was and is a MP focused game...)
-very poor designed skilltree... (and not balanced at all)
-no playerbase (let me explain one simple thing...to do a matchmaking option, game need AT LEAST 10k+ online players each day by default...+ at least slightly balanced gameplay + normal global chat (not this joke what we have...just look at DOW2 and you will understand what i'm talking about...) + (worst thing is that we can't turn back release day...a lot of really good players left this project...they just understand without any explanations what i just talking about and left it like i did...but a lot of them will not come back till game be TOTALLY PERFECT! without a single little bug...and only with new ad about it to revive a real core fan community to this project...without them this game (like any game) just a mess of code strings...nothing else...or even worse - sandbox for stupid children who can just talk about length of (you know)...)
-a lot of people have problems with DRM...i understand that is mainly their own problems...like port forwarding, antivirus, vpn...or just broken OS...but still it is a CRITICAL problem for game...
-Buka-version reservation...that is one more nail for game's coffin >_> (you think not big deal? but how about that fact what main core of fans community from Russia? (if not believe - it is your own ignorance srsly...)
-also there is a lot of small and minor problems...which will never be "reworked"...ok mb they just said that they wish to rework townscreens and heroabilities...but they can't even choice which they want...and time is ticking...we already have half year done from release and + half year of "first date" (it was meant to be out year ago...srsly you can find this info)...
list of things to be done is so HUGE what i can not believe they ever make it...and if they can't make it, what point in trying? to get more money for one more fail project? i tired of this...no one wish to play this game since h5 fail with dwarfs expansion...only children who can't even understand how to calculate...i'm mad and sad and tired of this...
and yes i speak of core fans community...I think i can with my knowledge and experience...if i saying something wrong...so be it...my fault...but i can't just stand near and watch how my (our) childhood dream dies...it is very painful to see TT (when you see how your love is dying...you only wish to end that suffering...in any possible way)...
Last edited by ScythianUA; 04-25-2012 at 09:51 PM.
For someone that professes to love the series ScythianUA sure wants to see it dead, and over such trivial matters as a bit of skill tree rebalancing as well as dead multiplayer. First one is easy enough to fix, and the second is pretty irrelevant since multiplayer isn't what the HoMM series is about and nearly everyone who plays it plays it for the singleplayer experience, which is what Heroes 6 primarily caters for. As for balance, the game seems as balanced as any prior Heroes game.
Minor point, but Heroes V was never "ruined". It was terrible upon release and an amazing game by TOTE. I have to admit, I have wasted countless hours on that game simply because it was so much fun with everything released by 3.1.
The lesson? Don't write it off just yet.
I find it hilarious that someone can call HoMM 5 terrible at launch after we've seen HoMM 6. But oh well, to each his own.
Yeah, that is an opinion.
Originally Posted by Gabryelxxx
Fact, on the other hand, tends to be that vocal minorities are just that: minorities.
I've seen it often enough: People complaining about something, saying that their preferences are what basically everyone wants, so the changes that are there are obviously crap. If they aren't changed, the whole thing tanks.
However, more often than not it seems that the guys in charge of the project have made their homework, since the changes stick around and the project is a success despite (or, rather, because of) that.
Is it always like that? Of course not. Sometimes it is a "piss poor excuse". But that doesn't mean it has to be like this. More likely, someone says something rude like that to try to get them to change things even when they know better.
It's quite possible that Ubi has done their homework. It's not definite, but possible.
It's all but impossible that you have any idea what the 240000+ people who bought Heroes VI think about it, by itself or compared with older games.
Heroes V was less terrible than VI, but that doesn't make it good.
Originally Posted by Gabryelxxx
There were some terrible errors in there. I remember geriatric elf archers with Parkinson's that looked absolutely horrible, as well as a spike in difficulty halfway through Inferno that made the Wow! signal look subtle. I don't remember any more, but that might just as well be nostalgia.
I quite like Heroes 5, there's so much to do in it and it looks gorgeous. Although I have to disable the camera pitch to make it playable because if you pitched the camera down the framerate would plummet lol.