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[Hab_Fan]

Sure...and how many people don't ever get past the painfully slow stage? Most.

Most? Really? And you have statistics that you can reference? Of course not because as usual you are passing your opinion as fact...again. Why are you so selfish about this one thing people are asking for as an OPTION? You don't want manual speed control then don't use it. As someone who has learned songs both the old fashioned method and RS method I can tell you that at MY level of guitar (almost 3 years playing) I can learn a riff or solo quicker using the old fashioned method. However, as many have stated there is an inconvenience having to go out of the game to do that and it would make it more enjoyable to have that added option in RS.

[KinchBlade]

Most? Really? And you have statistics that you can reference? Of course not because as usual you are passing your opinion as fact...again. Why are you so selfish about this one thing people are asking for as an OPTION? You don't want manual speed control then don't use it. As someone who has learned songs both the old fashioned method and RS method I can tell you that at MY level of guitar (almost 3 years playing) I can learn a riff or solo quicker using the old fashioned method. However, as many have stated there is an inconvenience having to go out of the game to do that and it would make it more enjoyable to have that added option in RS.

Well fwiw, I'm one of those who never got past the painfully slow stage until RS. I find that the 'drag along' method of Rocksmith works really well for me. With paper tabs and or guitar pro I find myself looping the each bar until it's right which means I pretty much always get bored long before I reach the end of the song. I would imagine its fair to say that not everyone who buys a guitar with the intention of becoming proficient manages to do so. Maybe even "most" don't. The reasons for that are no doubt numerous.
That said for complex passages I also want what everybody else wants more options and more control - I'm becoming increasingly appreciative of Accelerator but it lacks polish.
Ultimately though I really like the 'get in there and level up by playing the whole song approach even if its no perfect' because it works for me up to a point (specifically complex riffs and solos), then the finer tools we all want are necessary

[mbarsott]

That is the way I believe it works. If you have a higher number in video lag the video will show up sooner than it would otherwise to compensate for that lag.

Really? I thought it was the other way around... I`ll run some tests to see how it goes.

[KinchBlade]

Really? I thought it was the other way around... I`ll run some tests to see how it goes.

Hah glad to see I'm not the only can't nail this thing down. I imagined (based on my then reading of what is on the lag screen) that a high video number makes it wait for the music. But what do I know?

[Hab_Fan]

Well fwiw, I'm one of those who never got past the painfully slow stage until RS. I find that the 'drag along' method of Rocksmith works really well for me. With paper tabs and or guitar pro I find myself looping the each bar until it's right which means I pretty much always get bored long before I reach the end of the song. I would imagine its fair to say that not everyone who buys a guitar with the intention of becoming proficient manages to do so. Maybe even "most" don't. The reasons for that are no doubt numerous.
That said for complex passages I also want what everybody else wants more options and more control - I'm becoming increasingly appreciative of Accelerator but it lacks polish.
Ultimately though I really like the 'get in there and level up by playing the whole song approach even if its no perfect' because it works for me up to a point (specifically complex riffs and solos), then the finer tools we all want are necessary

That's totally understandable KinchBlade and I agree 100% that learning the traditional method is tedious, boring and requires quite a bit of dicipline especially in the early stages. I'm not advocating that the tradional methods are better I'm just saying there are certain things from traditional methods that would work well with RS to make it that much better. I think RS is awesome at what it does for the beginner guitarist, however it's not a perfect system and I don't see how taking things from traditional methods to improve RS will ruin the dynamics of the game. As you said most people eventually get to a level where they want more options or control.

[The_Penguin222]

Ultimately though I really like the 'get in there and level up by playing the whole song approach even if its no perfect' because it works for me up to a point (specifically complex riffs and solos), then the finer tools we all want are necessary

I agree. While I like to level up so I can see all the notes I'm hearing, I'd much rather work on the whole song at once. I used to work on the intro 'till I got it perfect, and I'd get sooo bored of the song, I'd abandon it. My ex used to ask me why I knew 100 intros and no complete songs.

[cgeorg]

Any difficult solo I have ever learned, I have used Audacity to slow it down, learn it, and slowly work it up to speed. For instance, for the intro to this I started slowed down about 33% and worked my way up to full speed. Never got around to the part that starts at 1:50, but I would definitely need to learn it slower. The solo that starts around 2:12 I also slowed down in parts to learn, for instance the sweep at 3:05. No way to learn that cleanly at full speed. If I ever tackle the end, I will definitely be slowing it down.



(P.S. Ubi please do this song you can charge triple because it's so long, I will pay.)

[WickedBadz]

Linking Dream Theater video's is a joke, those clowns play to backing tracks,,,,,thats NOT a real guitarist, a real guitarist can actually play their music live they don't need a CD playing in the background, they also don't use 60+ channels to record a solo.

Everyone learns differently and at different paces and different styles, whats good for one may not work for the other, if guitar was so simple, we'd have millions of virtuoso's around and we don't.....guitar isn't simple like people assume, it's also almost impossible to learn some of the newer bands material because they simply cannot even play it themselves, they are frauds and showman, not musicians.

[cgeorg]

Show me something DT has recorded that they cannot play live.

I suppose you also feel the GNR playing November Rain live makes them frauds?

[RocqueFloyd]

Yes, but the problem is that video processing is very heavy. Ask anyone who plays video games with a PC how important the video card is. There is delay introduced in video processing, including in the digital TV and sometimes, even with a zero display lag, video is still behind sound.

Well maybe so, maybe not so But it's really for the problem at hand uninteresting, because the video and the sound can and should be received by you at the same time. Any further lag or latency problems are now known to be on the input and processing side of the PlayStation, which we have no control over.

As an example, if I play "Sweet Home Alabama" in the chord version, I can often notice a delay of the "note flash" when playing the G chord. This "flash" latency is about the only clue to the actual latency between detection and song. IMO, because the chord detection is too slow sometimes, I ran afoul to the "late" miss.