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    New mini game needed

    There is a particular skill needed after beginner levels that could really use a mini game.

    String picking

    It should start out with just open strings, then add chords you have to fret while still picking the right strings,
    which are random.
    Slowly the chords change more often and the speed slowly gets faster.

    It will develope better muscle memmory for picking the right strings quickly and
    develope the concept that many single note riffs are in fact chords that are single note picked.

    Just an idea

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    If you mean like an arpeggio mini game, that would be awesome
    However, in order to really be usefull, they need to notate the arpeggio chords in the songs too...much the way chord names show now, so yo uknow what chord 'shape' to hold while picking.
    Trying to watch for the fingerprints on the fretboard doesn't work too well when you are trying to watch a little higher up on the screen.
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    It's funny. When reading tabs I have no trouble picking strings. But my grey goo can't seem to make the link from "blue" to 'D string'. It's been 6 weeks now, and when I see a note for the first time it's just like the first time I played the game.

    As for your mini game, I use both Super Dux and the baseball game to practice string finding.

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    Same for me. After 12 weeks it still takes a lot of concentration. I believe
    one of the problems for me is, that the notes have different heights, and
    for some reason that trips me off. It certainly does nothing to figure out the
    required timing.

    In addition, horizontally I still can't look on the screen being in a certain
    position lets say fret 12 and see a note coming up on a much
    lower or higher fret (lets say 4) and say with any confidence,
    which fret that is.

    I think there are three things that come into play:

    1) the **** camera is moving around too much, so there is
    nothing the eye/brain can lock onto

    2) the notes are on pins, so that it's not really easy to look at
    a note at an angle (far above/below) and see on what fret it is.

    3) you don't see the absolute position of your headstock, so
    you can't gauge the position from that, the only orientation you
    have is the fret number (distant, small and pale, possibly even
    obscured)

    In ducks, the notes are flat in the lane, that's much easier to
    pick out at an angle.

    How it could be fixed:

    a) additional note information on the note make things clearer.
    I could learn where a green 'C#' is on the fretboard. Lane number
    would be a second choice.

    b) render a "shadow" of the "note on a stick" directly into the lane,
    with a discernable shade so you can see from an angle, where the
    note is really at.

    c) have a mode, where the camera is not zooming. Tilt the lanes
    more upward and make the notes flatter.

    d) always render the headstock into the lane. It could just be a
    fat barrier. Then you'd have an additonal reference point.
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    OK, I am level 8, been playing just 4 months. Mastered my first song, and nailed master mode on it.
    I can play scale runner fast enuff now that it scares me. I don't even look at the bars close to me, they are already
    heading to my fingers and I am looking in the very back of the high way.

    I don't see D string
    I don't see C chord

    I see...music, shapes, flow

    How can I learn this so fast ?

    <light bulb>

    It is like speed reading.... see --> understand or in Rocksmith case see --> do
    then with practice do automatically without thinking.

    Usually learning guitar has many thought processes in learning
    This note is a G
    The G note can be played on this string at these frets
    memorize the the note names
    memorize the note locations

    look at the note in the book, figure out what note it is..ah a G
    ok figure out where you can play that G
    ect..

    Rocksmith skips all that because after a lot of experience, guitar players don't even think about that stuff

    Rocksmith see this, play this

    Rocksmith learning is so fast because they skip all those middle learning steps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatherrock View Post
    Rocksmith skips all that because after a lot of experience, guitar players don't even think about that stuff

    Rocksmith see this, play this

    Rocksmith learning is so fast because they skip all those middle learning steps.!
    The problem with this however, is it teaches you to learn the specific songs in the game.
    In order to go out of the game and play a completely different song, you NEED all those 'middle' steps that RS skips.
    Don't get me wrong. RS has helped me immensley in speed and technique, but it really does nothing to help me be able to freestyle, or just jam a random song with someone else. That is where the 'middle' things that RS skips come in handy.
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    well, yes and no

    As for learning other songs, it is not much of a jump to figure out
    TAB, and there are a zillion TAB books with just about every song in existance.

    Free style...Rocksmith doesn't cover that, neither does 99% of guitar learning books..
    and I am pretty sure..not that many teachers cover it either. So if you want to learn
    free style...or write your own music (I don't, but everyone is different) You need to look
    specifically for that.

    I think it is the swan song of many 'expert guitar players' on why you HAVE to get lessons.
    Then you ask them to demo this skill and what they expertly produce is a mishmash
    of thier favorite riffs ...from other bands.

    Learning to write or create your own stuff is cool, AND if your going to be in a band that plays
    their own music..it is a requirement.

    But it is not a requirement to becoming a guitar player...
    anymore than learning to be a composer is a requirement
    to being a great piano player.

    Improv, and music writing has its place, but I get twitch everytime someone
    says it is required...its not. If you have no plan to write your own music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatherrock View Post
    I think it is the swan song of many 'expert guitar players' on why you HAVE to get lessons.
    Then you ask them to demo this skill and what they expertly produce is a mishmash
    of thier favorite riffs ...from other bands.
    Ha! This rings true. Equally the gear thing, a good player sounds good even on crappy gear. Give me great gear and I will make it sound lackluster
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    can we get a Chicken Pickin mini game

    that is the next trick im going to try to master after i feel i understand the sweeping trick
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    I did want to add one note...creating your own stuff >IS< very cool. If anyone wants to learn this,
    PLEASE DO, there are a number of books on the subject and a few teachers can help you.

    This is most important: writing good music is a talent. Some folks have it, some don't.
    Some famous bands have music written by most of the members, some have one member
    that does it.

    If you have the desire and talent to do...GO FOR IT ! Please, write music, create new riffs and songs.

    If you don't or have no drive to do that, no problem. We can play what others have written and share
    thier music with more people than they could do themselves.

    Joe's bar and grill cannot aford to have Aerosmith come in and do a gig, but he might be able
    to swing having a local cover band come in that can play their songs. That is a good thing, live music is fun.

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