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    It was sixty seven years ago today British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain addressed a nervous nation. I thought I'd post up what he said. Imagine being sat at your kitchen table with the 'wireless' turned up and hearing his words unfold?

    I also read recently that the message to military ships and aircraft broadcast to confirm the start of hostilities was, simply and ominously, "Total Germany".

    Perhaps we can all take a minute to reflect. In light of recent issues on the forum, if anyone is in the slightest offended by this post I'll happily take it down immediately.

    "I am speaking to you from the Cabinet Room at 10 Downing Street. This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government an official note stating that unless we heard from them by eleven o'clock, that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and consequently this county is at war with Germany.

    You can imagine what a bitter blow it is to me that all my long struggle to win peace has failed. Yet I cannot believe that there is anything more or anything different that I could have done and that would have been more successful.

    Up to the very last it would have been quite possible to arrange a peaceful and honorable settlement between Germany and Poland, but Hitler would not have it. He had evidently made up his mind to attack Poland whatever happened, and although he now says he put forward reasonable proposals which were rejected by the Poles, that is not a true statement. The proposals were never shown to the Poles nor to us, and although they were announced in the German broadcast on Thursday night, Hitler did not wait to bear comment on them, but ordered his troops to cross the Polish frontier next morning. His action shows convincingly that there is no chance of expecting that this man will ever give up his practice of using force to gain his will, and he. can only be stopped by force.

    We and France are to-day, in fullfrnlment of our obligations, going to the aid of Poland, so bravely resisting this wicked and unprovoked attack on her people. We have a clear conscience, we have done all that any country could do to establish peace. The situation in which no word given by Germany

    's ruler could be trusted and no people or country could feel safe has become intolerable. Now we have resolved to finish it, I know you will all play your part with calmness and courage. At such a moment as this the assurances of support that we have received from the, Empire are a source of profound encouragement to us.

    When I have finished speaking certain detailed announcements will be made on behalf of the Government. Give these 'your closest attention. The Government have made plans under' which It will be possible' to carry on the work of the nation in the days of stress and strain which may be ahead of us. These plans need your help you may be taking your part in the fighting Services or as a volunteer in one of the branches of civil defense. If so, you will report for duty in accordance with the instructions you have received. You may be engaged in work essential to the prosecution of war, or for the maintenance of the life of the people in factories in transport in public utility concerns, or in the supply of other necessaries of life. If so it is of vital importance that you should carry on with your job.

    Now may God bless you all, and may he defend the right. For it is evil things that we shall be fighting, against brute force, bad faith, injustice, oppression and persecution, and against them I am certain that Right will prevail.

    Here is alink if you want to hear the speech:

    http://www.doverpages.co.uk/declaration.htm#


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    It was sixty seven years ago today British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain addressed a nervous nation. I thought I'd post up what he said. Imagine being sat at your kitchen table with the 'wireless' turned up and hearing his words unfold?

    I also read recently that the message to military ships and aircraft broadcast to confirm the start of hostilities was, simply and ominously, "Total Germany".

    Perhaps we can all take a minute to reflect. In light of recent issues on the forum, if anyone is in the slightest offended by this post I'll happily take it down immediately.

    "I am speaking to you from the Cabinet Room at 10 Downing Street. This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government an official note stating that unless we heard from them by eleven o'clock, that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and consequently this county is at war with Germany.

    You can imagine what a bitter blow it is to me that all my long struggle to win peace has failed. Yet I cannot believe that there is anything more or anything different that I could have done and that would have been more successful.

    Up to the very last it would have been quite possible to arrange a peaceful and honorable settlement between Germany and Poland, but Hitler would not have it. He had evidently made up his mind to attack Poland whatever happened, and although he now says he put forward reasonable proposals which were rejected by the Poles, that is not a true statement. The proposals were never shown to the Poles nor to us, and although they were announced in the German broadcast on Thursday night, Hitler did not wait to bear comment on them, but ordered his troops to cross the Polish frontier next morning. His action shows convincingly that there is no chance of expecting that this man will ever give up his practice of using force to gain his will, and he. can only be stopped by force.

    We and France are to-day, in fullfrnlment of our obligations, going to the aid of Poland, so bravely resisting this wicked and unprovoked attack on her people. We have a clear conscience, we have done all that any country could do to establish peace. The situation in which no word given by Germany

    's ruler could be trusted and no people or country could feel safe has become intolerable. Now we have resolved to finish it, I know you will all play your part with calmness and courage. At such a moment as this the assurances of support that we have received from the, Empire are a source of profound encouragement to us.

    When I have finished speaking certain detailed announcements will be made on behalf of the Government. Give these 'your closest attention. The Government have made plans under' which It will be possible' to carry on the work of the nation in the days of stress and strain which may be ahead of us. These plans need your help you may be taking your part in the fighting Services or as a volunteer in one of the branches of civil defense. If so, you will report for duty in accordance with the instructions you have received. You may be engaged in work essential to the prosecution of war, or for the maintenance of the life of the people in factories in transport in public utility concerns, or in the supply of other necessaries of life. If so it is of vital importance that you should carry on with your job.

    Now may God bless you all, and may he defend the right. For it is evil things that we shall be fighting, against brute force, bad faith, injustice, oppression and persecution, and against them I am certain that Right will prevail.

    Here is alink if you want to hear the speech:

    http://www.doverpages.co.uk/declaration.htm#


    'A word to the wise ain't necessary.
    It's the stupid ones that need the advice' - Bill Cosby
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    Let us hope we will never have to hear such an announcement again.

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    Thanks Realjambo,to shown this historical document for to be apreciated with all his signification.
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    Nice one RJ, it's a real shame that the majority of the youths of today are blissfully ignorant to what happened 67 years ago today and the implications of that event that would transform the world in the future.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Imagine being sat at your kitchen table with the 'wireless' turned up and hearing his words unfold?
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    great words from gutless "leader"
    imagine being polish and being left alone regardless of what was agreed with england and france.
    they done NOTHING till problems knocked at their doors.

    i wonder if they teach you this at schools in england and france today? or books are just full of empty words as this words from chamberlain?

    all i know is that 67 years ago poland got attacked while whole europe/world was standing by looking and doing nothing about it.
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    CrocAU, i guess you are Polish. I think you need to understand the mood of the world at the time.

    Most people could quite clearly remember the last world war, and most had lost fathers, brothers sons and more in this war. England and especially France, who had suffered the war wholly on her territory and seen France almost totally wrecked did not want to see another war.

    Chamberlain although called gutless and stupid i think is harshly treat. Now in the modern world people complain when leaders have the balls to step up and do something (Blair, Bush) but when a leader does his damnest to avoid war he is also pilloried as much, if not more.

    Chamberlain hoped beyond hope that a war could be avoided, and with hindsight was wrong. Could he have stopped Poland being invaded? I think nothing would have stopped this, France and the UK did not have the manpower ready to do this. Getting an army takes time.

    In the end Chamberlain went for peace somewhat blindly with hindsight. Why be angry at France and the Commonwealth when they did jump to the aid while the rest of the world stood still?
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    Poland was not the first country to be left abandoned, how about Czechoslovakia - no one lifted a finger about that one. All Chamberlain did was wave that agreement paper while being interviewed as he left the plane after flying back from Germany.

    You also need to delve deeper into history to understand. The League of Nations was a waste of time - fine for economic requirements but pease keeping was it's achillies heel - pretty much like the UN today as it sometimes has to struggle with world wide hotspots.

    The true crime was that nothing was done about Poland or Czechoslovakia. France and Britain's response was too slow. But also remember this, the tragedy of the First World War still ran in people minds years after 1918, these thoughts were reflected and transformed into the litery works of art that had a general anti war message, also reflecting on the mess and carnage it caused. This feeling was pretty much everywhere in Europe, but mainly with the countries involved with the trench warfare in France and Belgium - no one wanted to fight another war - hence the reason why no one was prepared to stand up to Hitler, and in the end the world plunged into the worst period ever - the result being millions dead and wounded and thats not including the psychological impacts later of those couragous men and women who survived - they physically survived but what of their minds?

    It is a typical failing of man - there's never any proactive actions only reactive.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
    CrocAU, i guess you are Polish. I think you need to understand the mood of the world at the time.

    Most people could quite clearly remember the last world war, and most had lost fathers, brothers sons and more in this war. England and especially France, who had suffered the war wholly on her territory and seen France almost totally wrecked did not want to see another war.

    Chamberlain although called gutless and stupid i think is harshly treat. Now in the modern world people complain when leaders have the balls to step up and do something (Blair, Bush) but when a leader does his damnest to avoid war he is also pilloried as much, if not more.

    Chamberlain hoped beyond hope that a war could be avoided, and with hindsight was wrong. Could he have stopped Poland being invaded? I think nothing would have stopped this, France and the UK did not have the manpower ready to do this. Getting an army takes time.

    In the end Chamberlain went for peace somewhat blindly with hindsight. Why be angry at France and the Commonwealth when they did jump to the aid while the rest of the world stood still? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    where do i start?
    france could walk in to germany with couple of soldiers and single gun, hitler would have to split and divert his because whole army was used on east, if done quick maybe it would even prevent soviets invasion that didn't jump in till few weeks later after it was clear that france and england isn't going to be part of the show.

    i'm not going to jump in to details because there is millions of "ifs" and "buts" and i already pointed out what makes me really angry and that is a FACT that england and france acted not much better than germany and when i see someone "today" trying to bring those words as something "great" in england history i feel like i need to puke.

    and how on earth can you compare random invasion of some mid-east countries against "signed treaty" that poland had with england and france?
    i didn't think anyone could be this ignorant.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and when i see someone "today" trying to bring those words as something "great" in england history i feel like i need to puke.

    and how on earth can you compare random invasion of some mid-east countries against "signed treaty" that poland had with england and france?
    i didn't think anyone could be this ignorant. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    CrocAu - is this directed at me for starting the thread?


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