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    Following on from Dan Snow's history of the R.N's influence on our nation (complete with embarrassing disasters and defeats, thank you Holland) last night, was an interesting show about how Lawrence approached dealing with middle eastern culture with a view to getting Arabs 'onside' as opposed to recent/present day attempts. Saw it last night on the Beeb, thought provoking stuff. Anyone else catch it? I'll certainly be watching the final part next week.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/e...of_Arabia_Episode_1/

    Don't think it's available outside the U.K. sorry, but if you see it scheduled on BBC America/Australia, give it a go if you've got even a passing interest.

    Ripped from iPlayer synopsis:-

    "In the First World War, T.E Lawrence helped to unite feuding Arab tribes into a formidable guerrilla army which helped to topple the Ottoman Empire. But today Lawrence has an extraordinary new relevance. His experiences of defeating a foreign military occupation, and of leading an insurgency, have led to him being held up as the man who cracked fighting in the Middle East.

    Harvard Professor Rory Stewart is a former soldier, diplomat and governor of two Iraqi provinces. Rory has spent many years living and working in Iraq and Afghanistan, and has been fascinated with Lawrence since his childhood. In these two films, he examines the legacy of Britain's First World War campaign in the Middle East, and draws parallels with British and American interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan today.

    But for Rory, Lawrence's story has a much darker message than is normally portrayed - Lawrence might have won his war in the desert and been hailed a warrior hero, but the politics that followed fatally undermined his success.

    Lawrence had aimed, he said, 'to write his will across the skies' and build a new independent Arab nation, but in these two films Rory Stewart shows how Lawrence felt his dream ended in catastrophe and shame.

    Drawing a comparison between Lawrence's experience and today, Rory explains how Lawrence came to the conclusion that foreign military interventions in the Middle East are fundamentally unworkable. He concludes, 'Looking at Iraq and Afghanistan today, I believe very strongly that Lawrence's message would not have been do it better, do it more sensitively, but don't do it at all.'."

    Broadcast on:BBC Two, 8:00pm Saturday 16th January 2010
    Duration: 60 minutes
    Available until: 8:59pm Saturday 23rd January 2010


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    Following on from Dan Snow's history of the R.N's influence on our nation (complete with embarrassing disasters and defeats, thank you Holland) last night, was an interesting show about how Lawrence approached dealing with middle eastern culture with a view to getting Arabs 'onside' as opposed to recent/present day attempts. Saw it last night on the Beeb, thought provoking stuff. Anyone else catch it? I'll certainly be watching the final part next week.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/e...of_Arabia_Episode_1/

    Don't think it's available outside the U.K. sorry, but if you see it scheduled on BBC America/Australia, give it a go if you've got even a passing interest.

    Ripped from iPlayer synopsis:-

    "In the First World War, T.E Lawrence helped to unite feuding Arab tribes into a formidable guerrilla army which helped to topple the Ottoman Empire. But today Lawrence has an extraordinary new relevance. His experiences of defeating a foreign military occupation, and of leading an insurgency, have led to him being held up as the man who cracked fighting in the Middle East.

    Harvard Professor Rory Stewart is a former soldier, diplomat and governor of two Iraqi provinces. Rory has spent many years living and working in Iraq and Afghanistan, and has been fascinated with Lawrence since his childhood. In these two films, he examines the legacy of Britain's First World War campaign in the Middle East, and draws parallels with British and American interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan today.

    But for Rory, Lawrence's story has a much darker message than is normally portrayed - Lawrence might have won his war in the desert and been hailed a warrior hero, but the politics that followed fatally undermined his success.

    Lawrence had aimed, he said, 'to write his will across the skies' and build a new independent Arab nation, but in these two films Rory Stewart shows how Lawrence felt his dream ended in catastrophe and shame.

    Drawing a comparison between Lawrence's experience and today, Rory explains how Lawrence came to the conclusion that foreign military interventions in the Middle East are fundamentally unworkable. He concludes, 'Looking at Iraq and Afghanistan today, I believe very strongly that Lawrence's message would not have been do it better, do it more sensitively, but don't do it at all.'."

    Broadcast on:BBC Two, 8:00pm Saturday 16th January 2010
    Duration: 60 minutes
    Available until: 8:59pm Saturday 23rd January 2010


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    A friend of mine here in Tennessee owns the motorcycle that he died on. I have sat on it.

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    Wowsers! How did it end up there?


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    He rode his Harley all over Europe buying old bikes. That bike is one of his prized possessions. He has thousands of bikes in warehouses all over the USA.

    Really cool guy with tons of stories to tell of his travels. He is a pilot also.

    Looks like an old hillbilly biker, but a very wise and educated man.

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    yeah, i watched that, it was really good, looking forward to the next part.

    Lawrence has always fascinated me, an amazing man.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
    Wowsers! How did it end up there? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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    "Amiable to the Amiable; Inflexible to the Arrogant"
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    I've got a local journalist friend who might be in touch with him. Lawrence spent his last days locally, his grave is popular with tourists. His name still sells newspapers. Thanks for the link. looks like a cool place to hang out.

    Edit: Simultanious posts. Nice links, Yuuppers. Interesting.


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    Watch this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNW0VBQPpUc

    Look for it at 4:10.

    I wonder if he meant the actual bike, or the same model of bike. I'll have to ask him.
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