About Subject 16 (maybe spoilers) | Forums

[Keighvin]

Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:

The screen doesn't show a link between either of them. Lucy searches for both of them, so they'll have it on the memory core should they need it. The machine then searches Desmond's DNA for a valid match, and finds it.

Yeah, the Animus searches for a match between subject 16 and Desmond. Last time I checked, for both of them to have been able to access Ezio's memories, they both would have needed to be related to Ezio. Which would make them both related to each other, however distantly.

[AbzBalmart]

I think that Subject 16 is Lucy - as she's an assassin (half her finger is cut off) and the blood on the walls could have been written with the blood that was spilt when she cut part of her finger off...

[jimbo11235813]

OMG not this argument again.

Both sides have no conclusive proof whether they were related or not (I agree wiki is never a good source unless it has good references.) Most of the evidence provided are different interpretations of the same evidence. I say that the memory matching is evidence that they are related, using subject 16's DNA as a template, and that searching it would be a waste of time (no, Lucy wasn't just in a hurry, just like you wouldn't search the whole computer for a file you know is in a particular folder if you were in a hurry). This makes more sense with DNA because you can use a "find" function and find a certain bit of DNA from someone else. Also, its unusual for people to put the second item found to the left of the first found (Desmond's DNA was found first, but was put to the right.) I know its a computer and it may do things in date order, but a story teller doesn't want thing to be 100% realistic, he wants the audience to understand and maybe guess some of these things (or at least discuss it with others).
Lucy could have simply been searching for both just so she could look at the data later, but that provides no explanation as to why she was searching through the DNA. Also, what was she searching for? It sounds too difficult to simply search for a particular date, place and ancestor within DNA (Desmond must have had MANY ancestors back at that time). It just makes more sense if you have a template that gives the time, date and ancestor.

To others: Sorry about that. This argument probably won't stop until the end of AC series, but I'll stop posting about this after this post.

Anyway, back on topic, I think subject 16 didn't fake his own death. I think the Abstergo saved him to find out more information, but, with his insanity, they find it hard to obtain information from him, which is why they need Desmond. Lucy of course doesn't know (not trusted enough), but maybe they find out in AC3 and have a mission where they attempt to rescue him (really hope so).

[extrememuffin]

i want to know who subjects 1-15 where and what happened to them. its possible that they were all failed attempts and died when trying to access there memories. maybe subject 16 was the first person abstergo got the animus to work for so thats why he is the only one of relevence.

[godsmack_darius]

Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Subject 16 is Desmond's relative.

I know I've brought this up before, but Desmond and Subject 16 are not related.

Even so, it's quite obvious 16 was an assassin. Otherwise why would the templars have treated him so poorly?

Remember escaping Abstergo? You go the keypad? Was that blood that was on there, I think it was, why else would it glow red on the keypad.

That's actually a VERY good theory. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you

Any thoughts anyone?

[LCGuardian]

Hang on, how is there any doubt that Subject 16 and Desmond are distantly related? If they both have the ability to access Ezio's memories through the Animus, then they are related via descent from Ezio. A very distant relationship, but still a blood relationship. Whether they are more recently related than Ezio (whether they had a common ancestor more recent than Ezio) was the element that isn't clear at this point in the series.

Unless I've missed something.

[godsmack_darius]

I dont think he he did access desmond memories, if so why, why would Vidic need Desmond?

Plus Subject 16 hacked the memory core of the animus and planted all the glyphs

[vgking96]

Vidic needed Desmond because 16 went insane from being in the Animus for long periods of time and decided to kill himself (or so we think) but not before leaving a message only an assassin could see, i.e. Desmond. But since Desmond was repressing memories they couldn't access Ezio right away and had to go back further to Atlair and work their way up. There has been a list of the full AC: Brotherhood achievements, http://www.xbox360achievements...erhood/achievements/ , half way down the list there is an achievement the achievement under Show Off is the achievement u get for completing all of subject 16's puzzles in AC:B the name of the achievement is in braile, .. .- -- .- .-.. .. ...- . , which translates to IAMALIVE. this leads me to believe that due to the bleeding effect possible 16 is so how in Renaissance Italy. Also, At the end of AC2 Lucy says their goin up north to a cabin. which turns out to be Monterrigioni, so that means the previous hideout was also in Italy and if Lucy could drive from Abstergo to the AC2 hideout, Abstergo is also in Italy. thanks and if anyone would like to collabortate on these ill be back in the forums if you reply.

[extrememuffin]

Originally posted by vgking96:
Vidic needed Desmond because 16 went insane from being in the Animus for long periods of time and decided to kill himself (or so we think) but not before leaving a message only an assassin could see, i.e. Desmond. But since Desmond was repressing memories they couldn't access Ezio right away and had to go back further to Atlair and work their way up. There has been a list of the full AC: Brotherhood achievements, http://www.xbox360achievements...erhood/achievements/ , half way down the list there is an achievement the achievement under Show Off is the achievement u get for completing all of subject 16's puzzles in AC:B the name of the achievement is in braile, .. .- -- .- .-.. .. ...- . , which translates to IAMALIVE. this leads me to believe that due to the bleeding effect possible 16 is so how in Renaissance Italy. Also, At the end of AC2 Lucy says their goin up north to a cabin. which turns out to be Monterrigioni, so that means the previous hideout was also in Italy and if Lucy could drive from Abstergo to the AC2 hideout, Abstergo is also in Italy. thanks and if anyone would like to collabortate on these ill be back in the forums if you reply.

USE SPOILER TAGSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i agree with you though

[vgking96]

how do i use spolier tags and what do they do?