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[Grzelich]

Hello,
I'v seen the movie's and I'm looking very much forward for the game.
However, in one of the movies was shown the attack on the Monte Cassino. But I didn't notice any troops of polish origin (or indian ghurks either)...

Could any one do any thing about that? Polish troops took great casualtis during the attack, especially polish tank division, engineers and infantry troops. It would be really nice of the programers to include such information in the game (more than the standard date & result info).

It would be also a nice idea to create sub profiles for each of the sides, for eg. the Reich would divide in to Germans, Italians, Japan, Vichi troops (which fought with the US during Torch operation, and whos navy was a grat use for the Reich) and the Alliance would divide in to Russia, US, England, Poland (which was the 4th fighting force at the side of the alliance according to Norman Davis and many other historicians).

Another thing that crossed my mind, is the guerilla tacits, which would suit this game perfectly (ambushes from forests, destruction of supply lines, railroad tracks, bases and so on). It would be really nice to include episodes about Polish, Jugoslavian and French resistence during WWII. Especially the Uprising of Warsaw in '44 would be a great idea for a mission (or a small campaign).

And now for the tactis, or "RUSE's" in towns, that would suit infantry in towns:
1)Disguise the infantry as enemy troops, so they will be uncovered only in a small proximity or by attacking the enemy
2)Use of the sewers - the infantry could take short cuts thru the sewers to get to a different region of a town, however, the sewer entrances could be mined or, the sewers could be attacked with battlegas
3) Misdirect - place a homing beacon next to enemy drop zone to intercept enemys supply drop
4) Basement hide - hide troops in the basement, rendering them very hard to detect and harm, but they have no fightin power, and are vunreable during evacuation from the building (and if the building is destroyed, then they'r all dead)
5) Remote detonation mine - place a big mine underground, disguise it and place a remote detonation device, so it can be detonated at any poitn, but will not detonate on proxmity of enemy (good for destroing the suply trucks or commanding/supporting vechicles)
6) Sand/tree cover - make the infantry duck and crawl from cover to cover in the shown direction, makeing the harder to spot
7) Tracer rounds - use them to show the enemy, from where Your unit is fireing, to guide them in to a trap (but watch out for airstrikes and artilery )

These are just some of my Ideas, that all are based on German and Polish tactics from Warld War II during the underground fighing of AK (Polish Resistance).

If You have any other ideas concernig this topi, please write them here.

And please drop a comment on my ideas

[charles_882]

I must say I surely agree. Have you noticed that many of the games about the II World War just skip the beginning of the war? Most of them start after a year when Germany invades France in the middle of year 1940. There were many battles before. That is why I hope we live to see a game that includes the WHOLE II World War. Don't you agree?

Detailed concepts of the game depends on the fact, if the game will be focused on the biggest battles, or on smaller fighting as well (100 - 200 soldiers). As we know, too many detailed abilities of a unit often disturb commanding on a vast battlefield. However, during small fights, everything depends on special abilities.

Here are my proposals as to the game:

- I think that misinformation should be paid attentioned to: double agents, forged documents or untrue radio announcements. Effective espionage can change the ballance during a war. However, most of these aspects should be dealt with before the battle, not during it, when sides try to gain information about the opponents.

- Each military unit should have its morale that changes depending on circumstances. Low morale causes some disadvantages, e.g. a unit evades fighting or is unwilling to obey orders.

- Destroying or taking over of opponent's supplies (food, fuel, drugs etc.). After taking over using them as our own.

What do you think about these ideas?

[bruce57]

the poles werent involved in every attack on monte cassino, so maybe the attack in the video didnt involve them.

i liked the fact that the towns were labled for you on the overhead map.

[Grzelich]

Originally posted by bruce57:
the poles werent involved in every attack on monte cassino, so maybe the attack in the video didnt involve them.

i liked the fact that the towns were labled for you on the overhead map.

You'r right, the Poles didn't engage in all of the attacks but it was the Poles and Ghurks, who took the monastery, the finnal german stronghold, where the most bloody part of the battlefield took part.

You can simply check out, how many Poles died, and how important that was, by looking on the googlemaps on the Montecassino. See the big, white cross-like cementary next to the monastery? It's a cementary of Poles who died attacking the MC...

[N3V30]

The reason you didn't see any Polish or Indian troops in the video is because there not in the game. Theres only 6 factions in the game (America, Britain, France, Italy, Germany and Russia).

As for Ruses, they work on a section of the map and are used to Steal enemy information, Decieve the enemy and Hide your won information and will affect all units in that section. The Radio Silence ruse will make all units in a section invisible to enemy troops. When infantry enter a forest, they will automatically be harder to spot.

And Charles, I'd imagine they'd be focusing on big battles as the maps are very big, upto 100 square kilometers in some cases. Special abilities will probably be absent as units will be more specialised. Morale would be good though, it works well in Total War games.

[Grzelich]

Originally posted by N3V30:
The reason you didn't see any Polish or Indian troops in the video is because there not in the game. Theres only 6 factions in the game (America, Britain, France, Italy, Germany and Russia).

Great... are these information confirmed to be final?

If so, the french lie workt again...

Did you konw that the majority of french forces that died in WWII were the ones killed dureing operation TORCH? And their where killed by US soldiers, while protecting the Reich... Dam it...

I wonder, how playable the French will be? Mayby they'l fight along side with the Reich?
With all do respect, their actions during WWII whern't efficient...

Poland fell after a month of fighteing, and it had smaller forces than the Germans. The French fell after 2 weeks, evean though thehy had a superior numbers over germans and had the British corps to help them...

I hope, that one day some one will do a game, thah states history clear, not politics...

[N3V30]

Yup.

The French will be pretty playable, they can set up defensive lines like the Maginot Line, as to who's side they are on hasn't been mentioned (I rekon they will be dual-sided, in multiplayer you can pick them whether you are fighting for the allies or axis).

[Grzelich]

Originally posted by N3V30:
Yup.

The French will be pretty playable, they can set up defensive lines like the Maginot Line,

Interesting... a specially, that during WWII the mighty Maginot line was simply outflanked throug Belgium and Netherlands... as I recon, no important fighteing took place at the line and after the war even the French admited, that it was a waste of time, money and hope...

No offence to any one, but I just can see French as defenders... Much better as recon, spyes or moblie light tanks, or the navy, which actually was really good, and gave some problems to US troops attacink africa during operation Torch... but as defenders? The history stated, that it's not their strong side...

[N3V30]

Originally posted by Grzelich:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by N3V30:
Yup.

The French will be pretty playable, they can set up defensive lines like the Maginot Line,

Interesting... a specially, that during WWII the mighty Maginot line was simply outflanked throug Belgium and Netherlands... as I recon, no important fighteing took place at the line and after the war even the French admited, that it was a waste of time, money and hope...

No offence to any one, but I just can see French as defenders... Much better as recon, spyes or moblie light tanks, or the navy, which actually was really good, and gave some problems to US troops attacink africa during operation Torch... but as defenders? The history stated, that it's not their strong side... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We know.

In the singleplayer game, the French may not have that big of an appearence. In multiplayer as it's ahistorical there won't be any issues in the French being involved.

[bruce57]

Originally posted by Grzelich:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by N3V30:
The reason you didn't see any Polish or Indian troops in the video is because there not in the game. Theres only 6 factions in the game (America, Britain, France, Italy, Germany and Russia).

Great... are these information confirmed to be final?

If so, the french lie workt again...

Did you konw that the majority of french forces that died in WWII were the ones killed dureing operation TORCH? And their where killed by US soldiers, while protecting the Reich... Dam it...

I wonder, how playable the French will be? Mayby they'l fight along side with the Reich?
With all do respect, their actions during WWII whern't efficient...

Poland fell after a month of fighteing, and it had smaller forces than the Germans. The French fell after 2 weeks, evean though thehy had a superior numbers over germans and had the British corps to help them...

I hope, that one day some one will do a game, thah states history clear, not politics... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
au contraire my friend, the french surrendered on June 24, 5 1/2 weeks after the invasion.