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In the U.S., ROTC is not required of anyone, just optional. But once you register, you are enlisted to be sent to war. Here in the Phillipines, ROTC is required, but does not change your status with the military whatsoever. Do you think this automatic enlisting is right?
For the uninformed, ROTC is Reserve Officer (i think it's officer) Training Corps. Aka, spinning and doing funky routines with disarmed Garands and doing platoon stuff
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Message Edited on 07/21/0310:12AM by durdd
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In the U.S., ROTC is not required of anyone, just optional. But once you register, you are enlisted to be sent to war. Here in the Phillipines, ROTC is required, but does not change your status with the military whatsoever. Do you think this automatic enlisting is right?
For the uninformed, ROTC is Reserve Officer (i think it's officer) Training Corps. Aka, spinning and doing funky routines with disarmed Garands and doing platoon stuff
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Message Edited on 07/21/0310:12AM by durdd
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think of it as "military time share".
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Oops, something got funked up there, so I reposted.
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durdd wrote:
"In the U.S., ROTC is not required of anyone, just optional. But once you register, you are enlisted to be sent to war. Here in the Phillipines, ROTC is required, but does not change your status with the military whatsoever. Do you think this automatic enlisting is right?
For the uninformed, ROTC is Reserve Officer (i think it's officer) Training Corps. Aka, spinning and doing funky routines with disarmed Garands and doing platoon stuff "
Not to be rude, but you dont seem to know much about the ROTC program (At least as it is in the States).
1) You are not automaticly enlisted in the army and you will not be deployed as a cadet. Those cadets that are deployed belong to the SMP (Simultaneous Membership Program) which means that they are also part of the National Guard (Which can be called up to deploy to a conflict). Even MSIII /Contracted cadets and Scholarship cadets are not called up for active duty unless they aditionally belong to a guard unit that has been activated.
2) Spinning and doing funky stuff with disarmed garands... Maybe JROTC (Highschool), but at College level you work small unit (usually squad based) infantry tactics. While it might depend on the school you attend and their supply system... We carried M16s when we went to the field... Fired them live. Now there are organizations within ROTC that may do some of what you call spinning and playing with grands, color guard.. drill and ceremony teams, possibly even bands (if the school has one) etc... Primary focus is small unit tactics... the Orders Process, building/focusing individual leadership/command skills, and preparing the "Future LT" to leading a platoon size element of 18-40 people (Depending on the branch he/she is assigned)
I take it by your understanding that you are not a part of it, even in the phillipines, which pretty much models our system (Having worked with Armor officers from the Phillipines Army).
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why do ROTC, when Army Basic Training is easier, and you get paid for it?
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SteveLord wrote:
- why do ROTC, when Army Basic Training is easier, and you get paid for it?
Depends on your goals. Had the recruiting office been able to offer me the 19D MOS I would have enlisted. As they didnt "Have it available". I chose to go to College and ROTC.
It is all a matter of choices. Just as getting commissioned is not guarenteed, neither is enlisting then going to OCS. If you do not want to become an officer then ROTC is probly not for you. Although it is usually the easiest "College Corses" you will take.
Not everyone wants to be an officer in the army (Active or guard). And while you are partially correct that enlisting pays you while you do it and ROTC doesnt. ROTC Does pay you at a point(I am pretty sure the contracted cadet rate is now 250 a month - not to mention if you are a scholarship cadet)... Not a lot but it is the means to the end.... which is being given the oportunity to lead soldiers. And once commisioned... the pay is not bad.
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in his defence, he did say "here in the Phillipenes'
(sorry for the spelling)
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ScrubberManFSJ wrote:
- in his defence, he did say "here in the Phillipenes' (sorry for the spelling)
No..no... I agree and acknowledged that in the 1st post.
I didnt mean to imply he was false in his post, just wanted to add a bit more info in refference to the US.
Once commisioned the Philipines army officers come to the US and attend our "Officer Career Course" As do several other countries. I had two good friends in one of my courses that where in the Canadian Army. With thich they told me they rotated units that stood ready (QRF-Quick Reaction Force) for the US to invade Canada, at which point they would all urinate in the beer vats, thus stopping our reasons for invasion.
The main intent of my 1st post was an attempt to dispell the often seen "Movie ROTC" image which either has a binch of chowder heads, or a bunch of over-zealous Rambo-wanna be's
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durdd wrote:
- In the U.S., ROTC is not required of anyone, just
- optional. But once you register, you are enlisted to
- be sent to war. Here in the Phillipines, ROTC is
- required, but does not change your status with the
- military whatsoever. Do you think this automatic
- enlisting is right?
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So you're saying that joining the ROTC program automatically enlists you in the US? I beg to differ. I was in Navy ROTC and that was not the case. Now if you get picked up on the ROTC scholarship program and they(the US government) start paying for your college education, that's a whole other ballgame. But that doesn't generally happen until your sophmore or junior year anyway.
You can, or could last time I check, stay in ROTC on your own dime for all four years of undergrad. At the end of that time, should you choose to do so, you can apply for Officer's Candidate School, and accept a commission in the armed forces up on graduation if you so choose. But at no point are you FORCED to join the US military unless they've been paying for your education and even then you MIGHT get out of serving depending on current staffing demands.
Of course, I might have miss read your post and you might be talking about the Philipines...Don't know the law there so I can't comment. But the US has been an ALL volunteer force for at least the last 25 years. Now there are numbnuts who sign up for the Reserves because of the $1000/month stipend and then act like they suddenly can't read when the other half of that contract kicks in after graduation. If Uncle Sam is floating you the nickle for school, you'd better believe he's going to ask for it back!
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