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[Redbanana27]

Ye but tye siegfried slows down a quick rush, giving the person tO build up a better defense (which is what he is aaking for you)

However i am a USSR player and i go by the quote "the best defense is offense"

[Ungemacht]

@space

Actually I can only agree on the how he words it thing with you.

Play Alc and you learn the term humiliation and weeping have a whole different meaning you didn't knew existed before

@alc

Thx for the welcome back, just need to get better (ill) before I pick up this game again to be useful as cannonfodder.

And he says he plays germany and has a rush problem I just assume that means italy or russia cause else I'd might agree to lost cause. In those cases a siegfried might tie enough $ up long enough for it to be usefull. It's not always the kill that counts.

[JetJaguar1972]

Originally posted by Spacemanc:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alcarin21:
When am i wrong!!!

Quite a bit of your advice above is bad Alcarin - or at least no better than the advice others have given. The thing is most people cant be bothered arguing with you.

Your dismissal of any strat usually involves the words "If enemy isnt an idiot that is." I often send AT with my USSR inf rushes - how do your Panzer III's like that? Any strat can be beaten - with good players it quite often comes down to a bit of luck. Bunker/aa art base/inf base covers all options on strat flank - even if you face 2 and you have no support - therefore it has the best chance of success. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's too bad that Russia is an early game/rush faction instead of a late game faction. Historically, the longer you were at war with Russia, the less your chances of winning. Everytime anyone invaded Russia, they always knew they had to "rush." I know RUSE isn't a history simulation, but it'd be a nice touch to have Germany looking for a blitz victory against Russia instead of the other way around. The German player would have to finish things against the Soviet player, else the Germans are overwhelmed by Russian mobilization.

[Alcarin21]

Quite a bit of your advice above is bad Alcarin

Bad... perhaps, but wrong not really. My advice is reflection to the peoples brain and time spent making a post.

If a person would write:

''OMG WTF I WAS RUSHED IMBALANCED NUB STRATEGY''

i would reply:

''OMG L2P''

Your dismissal of any strat usually involves the words "If enemy isnt an idiot that is."

A tactics or strategy is not good because you win XX% with it it shows how bad people are.

just like if you win someone playing japan doesnt mean japan is not imbalanced(or put in SP)

But we cannot teach every single impatient person how to stop the most ******ed tactics on the field.

You loose 10 times or 100 if needed and learn yourself else youre not worthy of becoming good.

If you play ONLY for fun then go play Super Mario arcade.

with good players it quite often comes down to a bit of luck.

With good players NEVER or EXTREMELY rarely comes down to a bit of luck.

But then again you wouldnt know that since you are not one of them.

And if you want i can proove this to you through a series of 1v1s.

Really good players make decisions that you think its luck where its actually their decisions that ''brought'' luck to them not just random luck.

ok i will agree luck is a part but its not a factor that makes 1 person win or loose in huge majority of games.

I saw 88s miss a shot on recon and many more but in overall rarely did luck make me win or loose.

Anyway i really dont think you should give advices here after the last thread where you participated

Bunker/aa art base/inf base covers all options on strat flank

Covers all yes but none sufficient since the income restrictions

This reminds me of a guy who built EVERY base(except proto) at the start of our 1v1...

Since well they cover all options IN THEORY

Ye but tye siegfried slows down a quick rush, giving the person tO build up a better defense (which is what he is aaking for you)

No, since in this particular case he doesnt even know how the game works... He wants to sit back and build units for 5 min before attacks. Else its OMG RUSH BORING.

Mainly because he doesnt understand how to counter rush... Now the reason for his ''not understanding'' can in my opinion be only in 3 options.

Either he did not play long enough (impatient kiddos) or he is just not smart(intelligent) enough to understand or he refuses to think.

now i always hope its the last of the 3 solutions for every dumb post i see on the forum but somehow i get feelings its mostly the second and sometimes first.

And the only solutions we here have is:

- Give him recipes(he still wont think)
- Bash him (might help him to think sometime)
- Tell him to go play another game since obviously he is not willing to spend enough time in learning such easy task as how to defend from a rush.

Forum doesnt make a person a good player of RUSE(or any game if we are at it)

Forum can mean something(id say less than 5$) but mostly its practice and intelligence adds the cherry.

Now fully on topic...

if he thinks those RUSH strategies are so good all he needs to do to learn how to counter is use them himself... Im sure quite alot of players will show him how silly they really are.

But no MAKE TOPIC ask for recipes.

@space

Actually I can only agree on the how he words it thing with you.

Play Alc and you learn the term humiliation and weeping have a whole different meaning you didn't knew existed before

Space knows full well how little chance he has of actually winning vs me... After those replays i actually believe he cannot even win me once if we play 5 games...(1v1 ofc)

but in 3v3 if i bring 2 of those that are on par with my skills or possibly even higher he knows he will never win a 3v3 with his 2 random guys he plays that he bases ''good'' tactics upon.

humiliation is also motivation for some people remember this.

I remember how motivated i was when Hoppa(youll remember the name from forums if youre here long enough) ''humiliated'' me on the 1v1 in ranked long time ago in a mirror match ITA vs ITA... It gave me so much determination to become what i am today.

But i agree its not for everyone.

But i welcome Spaceman guy and then ungemacht and everyone who think they are so right and think their strats made in their mind are so valid and useful to come join ventrillo sometimes and lets have some fun 1v1s... ill do my best and get brahman and Tigga and also Deagle together with me and you will test your awesome ideas on those who are not some random noobs or averages.

[ElderForest]

Whats the best way to defend yourself?

Hate to state the obvious but the "best" way is always the way that works. As others have already stated there is no "cure all" solution as it depends on the map and what your opponent is rushing with.

It seems no one in this game wants to play for fun

You can bet that some people find rushing fun - but others rush just as a way of de-stabilising their opponent in order to get an early advantage, if this rush on its own results in a win then they can be as surprised as you are.

and just immediately rush me while I'm trying to setup defences

This may be the key to where you are going wrong - you don't just need any old defences you have to have the right defences to counter what your opponent is sending - so rule number one is pay attention to what your opponent is doing, don't get too distracted with just building defences - send out recon and pay attention to it.

They just rush with heavy tanks, or sometimes planes

OK now I am puzzled - the factions capable of fielding "heavy" tanks at the outset of the game are France, UK and USSR but none of these tanks rush anywhere. Are you therefore confusing a "rush" which takes place very early in the game with a late-game offensive? - as this is a different thing altogether.

So how can I, as Germany, defend from rushers?

Germany (IMHO) is one of the easiest nations to defend with - even discounting the Siegfried (for reasons already discussed) the Barracks gives you armoured recon and the ability to tech up quickly to one of the most powerful infantry units in the game (Sturmgrenadiers - very effective against infantry and deadly against armour at close range), while their Artillery/AA base, as well as giving you the usual AA capability and the ability to hit back at range with artillery, also gives you decent long-range AT capability (very effective against early game tanks) in the Flak 88mm. Note you probably need both these bases working together though as neither is likely to be sufficient on its own - so you need to be careful in selecting and protecting sufficient supply depots as Germany is a fairly "resource hungry" faction.

Reading up on advice is all very well but as has already been said there is no substitute for learning through actually playing. Try some practice games on different maps against the AI with it set to a "Rush" profile and you will soon get an idea of what works and what doesn't in different circumstances. RUSE is quite a deep game and many of us are still learning, the commented replays on the TFB website are another great source of instruction.

[Alcarin21]

OK now I am puzzled - the only factions capable of fielding "heavy" tanks at the outset of the game are the UK and USSR and neither of these rush anywhere. Are you therefore confusing a "rush" which takes place very early in the game with a late-game offensive? - as this is a different thing altogether.

Well there is still French B1Bis

Anyhow the point is i guess he is just rushed as in terms of proxy armor base...

Or maybe 2 Russian bombers(lulz)

Its hard to say without a replay.

[Spacemanc]

Keep up the lulz posts Alcarin. Maybe reread the thread and you will see how ******ed you sound. Your posts tend to follow a path of "OMFG NOOB BAD ADVICE.." which then gradually turns to "ok maybe sometimes it work", which then become "I will beat you in 1v1!!!" which then becomes "it wont work against top 5 players in RUSE"

Comments like this kind of sum you up Alcarin:

Originally posted by Alcarin21:
......to become what i am today.

I dont know many people with so little self awareness that they don't realise what a comment like that makes them look like. I can almost imagine you making RUSE medals for yourself in photoshop to print and wear.

[ElderForest]

Well there is still French B1Bis

and the French of course - why do I always forget the French..?! previous post edited.

[Redbanana27]

French are easiest to defend with imo because there units are so slow that you cant get out of your base quickly enough to attack. Lol

[Alcarin21]

Keep up the lulz posts Alcarin. Maybe reread the thread and you will see how ******ed you sound. Your posts tend to follow a path of "OMFG NOOB BAD ADVICE.." which then gradually turns to "ok maybe sometimes it work", which then become "I will beat you in 1v1!!!" which then becomes "it wont work against top 5 players in RUSE"

Comments like this kind of sum you up Alcarin:

hahahahahahaha

Now i will try to explain it one last time to you.

There is high skill players in other words explained as metagame if you ever heared for those words and then there is everything else.

From noobs, newbs, bad, average, decent and good players.

Now when you play a ''competitive'' game focused on MP and thus competition(no matter the size and fail of community) you want to talk strategy and tactics on the highest possible lvl in order to IMPROVE

This is even more important on smaller community games like RUSE is... now in SCII(yes its the most popular RTS) there you have cheese tactics, newb tactics and meta game tactics, but there it works because of the size of population...

Here in RUSE if you will explain cheese tactics to every newcomes the meta game will die and then people like you will think they are the best.

In our interest and interest of this game is to talk ONLY or atleast mostly about metagame tactics which i know is hard if there is only a few of highly skilled people and even less of them participating on forums which gives people like you idea that i am delusional and wrong and trolling ...

You are nothing(not literally) with your random 3v3s and 4v4s and then talking of tactics and strategy... I mean i could understand if the dots clan or No Unit came here and talk about 4v4 and 3v3 tactics but random teams tactics? Even without me you should realise how ridiculous it is to even reply.

To explain why my words change a little in overall is because when i reply i reply from highly skilled point of view... then i reply from a ''philosophical'' point of view

and if i take your idea for example so it is easier for you to understand:

i say your tactics are NOT valid and then you argue about my ''NOT'' part and try to proove that NOT is not true but NOT does never mean as NOT (ever, never) but not on important lvl of skill.

And then i reply ''yes they can work but not because they are good tactics but because people are that bad''.

And its exactly same case with Siegfried... Yes you CAN do it its valid BUT its better if you directly learn a better and more effective way to counter.

And again people will argue on the wrong point of sentence.

If the comments i post made me become what i am today (let it be in RUSE or in real life) then i can only thank those comments and my dedication of arguing with every low intelligent creature(or most) on any forum that i am.

I dont know many people with so little self awareness that they don't realise what a comment like that makes them look like. I can almost imagine you making RUSE medals for yourself in photoshop to print and wear.

Frankly i could not care less what a comment makes me look as long as i fully believe i am right.

I dont post comments to make me look like good guy that donates money for charity, most of my posts on forum are here to make people think how fail most of their strats and tactics are.

Thanks for the idea i guess some medals would be in place for all tournaments i ended in top 3.

I really invite you to the next tournament we will hold next time so you can show us your great knowledge and skill of RUSE in person.

Atleast the Robinx guy had the guts to play me and loose(a good game it was must say) and not act all so smart as you when you probably never beaten anyone worthy of mention in a 1v1.

Its nice of you to help though...