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    Which squadrons operated this veriant? Are there any good color profiles for the aircraft?
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    The Vc served in North Africa, in Malta I think, and maybe in the Far East, though I'm not too sure about that one. So look for sqn's who served in these theatres, and you'll probably find out which used the Vc.

    But I'm sure there are plenty of folks here who know specifics.
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    I've been raking my brain and my books trying to find out who operated them. So far I have found an awesome head on picture of Quadcannon North Africa Theater Spitfires, but I can't see the ID letters!

    Trying to get this info for a guy who is helping me out with another Sim.
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    Originally posted by LuftWulf190:
    Which squadrons operated this veriant? Are there any good color profiles for the aircraft?
    Basically the type was limited to North Africa and Malta. Most of these four cannon Spitfires were modified in the field down to just two cannons for better climbing. It was felt the 4 cannons was overkill and hindered performance.

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    I've got a picture of a Spit Vc being lowered onto the USS Wasp in 1942. I first 4 letters of the serial are readable but the last letter is covered by the strap being used by the crane to lower it. But what I can see it "BP97". It looks like it's got a desert paint scheme.

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    Here's some information from looking through the Squadron Signal In Action series publication No.39 on the Spitfire:

    One picture shows a Mk Vc with tropical filter of the RAAF No.79 Sqn and the caption says: "The third RAAF Spitfire squadron in the Pacific are, No.79 was formed in July 1943 and participated in a nisland hopping campaign that began on Goodenough Island and ended in Borneo. En route it used Horn Island, one of the group of Thursday Islands off Australia's Cape York Peninsula, where Mk.Vc JG807/UP-P is seen landing in 1943"

    Next is a line up 5 Mk.Vc's although they look like they only have one 20mm in each wing rather than 2, but they have the chin filter. Caption reads: "Formed in Australia, No.451 Sqn operated in North Africa and Italy until the end of 1944. August 1943 saw the unit at El Daba, where these five Mk.Vc fighters were photographed. In the foreground is LZ943, with EF655/A next in line; clearly visible on the nearest machine is the tailplane-to-fuselage aerial for IFF equipment."

    Another photograph showing a damaged Vc at a repair depot in N. Africa. Caption reads: "Still bearing the US flag marking applied for the North African landings, this Spitfire Vc is seen at a repair depot after being shot down in central Tunisia early in 1943. A machine of the 5th FS, 52nd FG (USAF)"

    Another photograph: "In Dec 1942, Brig Gen Jimmy Doolittle visitied Tafaroui, Algeria, home of the 31st FG, and borrowed a Spitfire Vc of the 308th Squadron for a short flight. This starboard side view of the machine he used (coded HL-M) shows the "Lobo" marking which appeared only on this side, and the black shadows to the code letters."

    Another: "Over the Adriatic en route to a target in Italy, this heavily armed Mk.Vc fighter bomber of No.2 Sqn SAAF is fitted with four wing cannon and carries a 500lb bomb on the centreline rack. Sporting no.2's "Flying Cheetah" emblem on the rudder, this machine has had its serial digits overpainted, leaving only the prefix letters "JK"

    Another: "Spitfire Vc LZ820 of the 4th FS, 52nd FG crash landed at Borgotaro, Italy on 19th December 1943, apparently after running out of fuel in the company of two other Sptifires which also put down there. Fitted with a Merlin 61 with multiple exhaust manifolds and three-blade propeller the aircraft bears the name "Pauline" on the nose and "Capt. Kelly" forward of the insignia. The machine almost certainly retains the Vokes filter fairing under the nose."

    Another: "This Mediterranean airfield shows a Mk.Vc in USAAF service, bearing non-standard codes. This Spitfire was flown by Fred Murray Dean, the commanding officer of 31 FG, and bears his initials: FMD. This is one of the few US aircraft to show the adoption of the British practice of a CO using his initials on his aircraft in place of squadron or group codes."

    Another: "Languishing in a dump after the war, this Turkish Air Force Mk.Vc has a Mk IX-type pointed rudder, probably taken from one of the latter variants supplied after the end of WWII. Previously Spitfire Vs had carried the star and crescent insignia on the rudder."

    There are also 2 colour profiles of the Mk.Vc - the first is Mk. Vc, BR195/AN-T, No.417 Sqn, 1942; the second is Mk. Vc, NH605/WD-D, 4th FS, 52nd FG, USAAF, 1943.

    Most of the photos show Vc's sporting just 2 20mm cannon, rather than the 4 cannon we have on the in game Vc. As Icefire said, they were replaced as 4 were thought to be a bit OTT, but the ones which retained the 4 cannon were used for ground attack, if I remember correctly. I once saw a picture of a bunch of bomb and 4 cannon equipped Vc's being escorted by some other Spit V's with the normal cannon and MG configuration,and I think they were flying out of Malta.

    Anyway, hopefully that helps a bit.
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    89, 126, 249, 601 and 603 Squadrons used 4 cannon Spitfires out of Malta at one time or another. However, as the harsh conditions made cannons likely to jam, many were reduced to 2 cannons while the remaining Hispanos were cannibalised for spares to keep the other guns in service.

    Many pilots liked the firepower of 4 cannon Spitfires. There were reports of Ju-88s "just blowing up" from short bursts with 4 cannon. However, the dust and poor maintainence at Malta, as well as poor quality US made ammunition, and faulty British muzzle adapters, meant the the cannon often jammed.
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    There was some structural problem with the C wings, the second pair of cannon comprimised the wings strenght when bombs were carried as well (bombracks happened to be just under the cannons). Several bulging/bending of the wing was observed, so the second pair of cannon were rarely fitted, and never on MkIXs, VIIIs or XIVs. I guess the latters increased weight on basically the same airframe made it more dangerous. A strange coincidence that you dont see four cannon Spits regularly until the wing was redesigned with the 20 series Spits, isnt it, despite that those would face exactly the same type of planes as previous versions 3 years before.

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    Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
    A strange coincidence that you dont see four cannon Spits regularly until the wing was redesigned with the 20 series Spits, isnt it, despite that those would face exactly the same type of planes as previous versions 3 years before.
    Yes those twin Hispanos must have been bouncing of the K4's rear deflector shield

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