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    Ok guys I have seen many posts about the p51 in game. I must say that personally I find it to be one of the safest and nicest plane to fly! NOTHING ingame will keep E as a P51, not even a Dora9 but it comes very very close!!

    First, make sure to notice what ur manifold pressure does! In the P51 D-model for example you can see that ur manifold with boost(WEP) enabled will decrease from sealevel from 72 to 62 and when it reaches 62MAP (at around 3300m) disable it! No point to enable WEP if it wont give u extra power! and it wont till you reach 5500-5600m. Between these altitudes it will produce lots of heat but no extra power!

    So stay below 3000m or above 5500 if you want to use WEP for extra power!

    Lots of people comlain about overheating problems. Believe me, there are NONE!!
    Once you go level after a climb, leave rads fully open for say 30 secs and at the same time come back on proppitch to 80% for level flight. Then close rads fully and never open them again and stay at 100% power and she WILL NOT overheat!You can even engage WEP and she wont overheat if prop pitch is low! Try to keep it around 2600-2700 RPM (green arc) and she will be fine and FAST as hell!!!
    Now, fly with these settings and notice what tremendous speed advantge u get! In dives, come back on proppitch and only in full vertical climb let the proppitch come up to 100%.
    If she overheats, come back on proppitch and open rads to maybe 2-4 and then close it again!

    TRIM!! I cannot say this enough, a well trimmed P51 is very very fast and very very stable!! When speed increase, the ball will go left and the ball is pointing towards the rudder that must be pressed. So ball left - more left rudder trim! Keep the ball centered!

    Elevator trim, VERY VERY important for all AC in game! make sure the she is trimmed for te speed you fly at, simple let go of the controls as see what she does on the vertical speed indicator! You can lose 20-50 km/h or more if she is untrimmed and constantly have to push the nose down/up with your stick!

    Dogfight, well, dont dogfight unless you see the fuelage behind ur left shoulder below, 50-60 USGAL. When it is, you can outturn most Fw190 and most 109s(but still with the 109s ,dont get too slow with them) and if you decide to gor for TnB, trim the nose up to make tighter turns easierand set 100% prop pitch ( she will eventyualy overheat with these settings tho)! Combat flaps will help very much in the P51! If it doesnt go the way u want it to, point the nose down, come back on prop pitch and give full power and you can leave all but the Dora 9 behind easely. make sure to trim her to every increase in km/h of speed! And watch that speed drop VERY VERY slowly because if she is well trimmed and rads closed she will NOT drop speed fast!! She will keep E 4-ever!
    Personally I try NOT to dogfight unless my fuel behind me is below half the gauge indication.
    NEVER take more than 50% fuel in the P51! Sometimes, take 25% with droptanks and when u release them, u can fly for 30 mins and u will be very manouverable!!
    Belive me if you do all this, you will see how fast she is!! German AC dont have rudder trim and still most people dont even look at the ball so they will lose speed much faster than you when the try to follow you at high speed. (exeption is Dora 9 that can follow u)

    Convergence- Ok this is very personal, I have been experimenting with this for along time offline and set up alot of friendly targets and fired at them at the distance I thought came closets to the distances I fire at targets Online. I was suprised to see that most of the time, my targets are inside the 150m arc so I fly with a convergence setting of 120-140m and it does wonders for me now! Especially when sneaking up on someones six from below. Fire when the 190 and 109s wingtips are just on the yellow circle or even outside them and most of ur rounds will hit your target and cripple them!

    The best hit % I have had was 57% with these settings, no need to say the target lost both wings and went on fire. and that was 190D9.

    Fw190s perform rather bad at 3000m where their first supercharger stage is pretty low on power and the second stage hasent engaged yet so they will be rather low on power, but u still have plenty!

    But most important of all these tips are, the TRIM and the CLOSE RADS fully and come back on proppitch!

    Try it out and you will notice a whole different plane! Pls report back here!
    cheers!

    EDIT
    Here are som nice p51 Tutorials with lots of online stuff as well...
    http://352ndfg.com/smf/index.php?topic=1214.0
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    Thanks for the tips!!!
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    Great tips, Can I ask specifically what PPitch and Throttle settings you would use when running away from a D9 ?

    I would like to add that the P51 generally will not overheat in level flight with boost on 95% throttle and 100% radiators closed. If you are trimmed properly you are very very fast, if you do overheat just notch radiators to 2 and she will cool down. Most important thing for speed in the P51 imo is take the radiators off auto and manage them yourself. The 30km/h speed loss they can induce is critical when flying a plane that relies on speed.
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    Great tips, I'll see tonight if they improve my poor stang skills!

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    Wow, thanks a lot. After the P40 was removed from almost every map in WC, I'm still trying to find my ride. The P51 rocks, but I think with these hints, I got a step closer to master this plane.

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    Beautiful post Klingstroem!

    May I say that what 'pitch' to reduce to (really RPM), the efficiency depends on TAS and
    perhaps load on the plane, dive is less load than level is less than climb even though
    all at the same speed?
    I find especially at power 100% and less that backing pitch off in 5% increments (I use
    keys often) as speed increases from 360 kph level gets me final speed for the power I
    use to be higher than pitch 100% just from trying and seeing results.
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    Cool! Great to see the post was appreciated!
    Well the enemy I hate the most are the 190s! Especially the Dora 9! They are usually flown by the better sort of pilots (most 190s are) but vs the Dora 9 u need all the power u can get!
    I personally have come to the conclusion that I WILL NOT dogfight the D9 since my planes doesnt have any upper hand vs him. Its so equal that the first one to make a mistake will lose. If im low on fuel however (below half rear tank indication) I fell pretty confident vs most planes including D9s. I have several times been bounced by D9s and if im low on fuel I make a hard turn without stalling and get him slow since most of them think u are easy target they will dogfight u, this is when u slow down let him pass you (I would NEVER otherwise slown down in a p51 but if noone else is around its safe but ONLY when u below 50 US GALs or around). This way I have many times reversed position and he is infront of me low on E and u have the upper hand since u are more manouverable when low on fuel! Thye usually dive away when they have lost their upper hand. I wouldnt follow personally...
    But he might be low on fuel as well so he can be very light as well. U never know! When u need to run away I just give full WEP vertically down make sure to trim on the way down as speed comes up and off you go! Most guys flying blue, dont use rudder trim so u will be bale to pull away, but its gonna be close and u will overheat but u can overheat for 5 mins or so!! Vs 109s its never a problem to run when u need to.
    When u are in close in dogfighting go 100% proppitch as u are usaully very slow and u need 100%PP when slow.

    The P51B and C are with 50% fuel what the P51D is on 25% fuel. Very manouverable and can deffinately hold its own and is evern faster than the D model but I feel the controls are too senstive and I find her a harder ride to be stable in.
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    Great tips, Can I ask specifically what PPitch and Throttle settings you would use when running away from a D9 ?
    103+wep, rads closed, 5m/s dive(you have some alt I hope) and you are history, Dora can't catch you...
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    Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
    Beautiful post Klingstroem!

    May I say that what 'pitch' to reduce to (really RPM), the efficiency depends on TAS and
    perhaps load on the plane, dive is less load than level is less than climb even though
    all at the same speed?
    I find especially at power 100% and less that backing pitch off in 5% increments (I use
    keys often) as speed increases from 360 kph level gets me final speed for the power I
    use to be higher than pitch 100% just from trying and seeing results.
    well, the green arc on the RPM indicator goes to 2700, anywahere above that and she is in an uncomfortable situation BUT in game she will not overheat if you are slighty above this area. In steep climbs I will go 100PP and maybe open rads to 2-4. But as soon as I am level I will close rads and go 80%PP and in steep dives I might come back to 60-70%PP. Just remember, every change of power setting and PP will need a bit of retrimming!
    She is a VERY trim senstive plane but so was the real AC.
    Also at lower PP settings its gonna sound like u are on very low power. Thats not the case its just the sound engine in the game! Trust me u still have loads of power, check MP gauge to see what u are getting at that altitude and also check if engaging WEP helps u at all at that alt. Otherwise, climb higher so u get anything out of it!

    First stage of supercharger helps u up to ca 3200m.
    The second stage helps u form ca 5600m and above to about 6500m

    So between 3200 and 5600m U have NO use of WEP!!
    and not above 6500!! (bascially, dont stay at 5500m, u have no power there but climb another 100m and u will get full Sealevel power)!!)
    this depends a bit on map! on some maps these alts will be slightly higer or slightly lower!
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    good tips and thansk for taking the time to post 'em!
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