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Well, I get this message after FB crashes . . . From the MS analysis report:

"This problem was most likely caused by: Java" followed by a link to Sun Microsystems, the creator of Java.



There is so much Java on my HD that I wouldn't know where to begin looking for the problem. Tech support for my new PC tells me to contact the software manufacturer.



Sun wants me to contact the makers of my PC.



The most frustrating part of this is that the game plays way better than I ever thought possible. Sooo smooth. And it doesn't always crash . . . just the annoying 50% of the times that I play it. I have shut down services and apps that are running at the time, and even after a fresh boot it still happens. Really bad when it waits till I fly a half hour to a target, and then it happens.


I posted a DX diag on an earlier thread, but I will reboot and post it again in this message as an edit, Thanks anyone.



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Well, I get this message after FB crashes . . . From the MS analysis report:

"This problem was most likely caused by: Java" followed by a link to Sun Microsystems, the creator of Java.



There is so much Java on my HD that I wouldn't know where to begin looking for the problem. Tech support for my new PC tells me to contact the software manufacturer.



Sun wants me to contact the makers of my PC.



The most frustrating part of this is that the game plays way better than I ever thought possible. Sooo smooth. And it doesn't always crash . . . just the annoying 50% of the times that I play it. I have shut down services and apps that are running at the time, and even after a fresh boot it still happens. Really bad when it waits till I fly a half hour to a target, and then it happens.


I posted a DX diag on an earlier thread, but I will reboot and post it again in this message as an edit, Thanks anyone.



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Well, here it is, and it seems that Direct 3D, and Direct Draw are disabled. Now I have to figure out how that happened.

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System Information
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Time of this report: 11/6/2003, 00:29:52
Machine name: WOLFGANG
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp2.030422-1633)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: SYX
System Model: snc302eeh
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.0GHz
Memory: 1024MB RAM
Page File: 101MB used, 2359MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0902 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found. Direct3D functionality not available. You should verify that the driver is a final version from the hardware manufacturer.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0281&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A1
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (75Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.5216 (English)
DDI Version: unknown
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 10/6/2003 14:16:00, 4246528 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 10/6/2003 14:16:00, 1550043 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-41C1-11CF-D077-0A2000C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0281
SubSys ID: 0x00000000
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Video Accel:
Deinterlace Caps: n/a
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Disabled
D3D Status: Not Available
AGP Status: Not Available
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
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Description: Creative Sound Blaster PCI
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1274&DEV_5880&SUBSYS_20001274&REV_02
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: es1371mp.sys
Driver Version: 5.01.3612.0000 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
Date and Size: 6/3/2002 11:18:32, 40832 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Creative Technology Ltd.
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

Description: Modem #0 Line Playback (emulated)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID:
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 81
Type: Emulated
Driver Name:
Driver Version:
Driver Attributes:
WHQL Logo'd:
Date and Size:
Other Files:
Driver Provider:
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

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Sound Capture Devices
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Description: Creative Sound Blaster PCI
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: es1371mp.sys
Driver Version: 5.01.3612.0000 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 6/3/2002 11:18:32, 40832 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x0
Format Flags: 0x0

Description: Modem #0 Line Record (emulated)
Default Sound Capture: No
Default Voice Capture: No
Driver Name:
Driver Version:
Driver Attributes:
Date and Size:
Cap Flags: 0x0
Format Flags: 0x0

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DirectMusic
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DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
Acceleration: n/a
Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
Creative Sound Blaster PCI, Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Creative Sound Blaster MPU-401 [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, External
Creative Sound Blaster MPU-401 [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Input, No DLS, External
Registry: OK
Test Result: Not run

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If it's running smooth without AGP, question is how smooth will it be when you enable AGP, my mouth is watering furiously? I'm just plain jealous Tsisqua. BTW I do hope that it is the AGP that is causing your troubles, because you solved it yourself, if it is. [img]/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif[/img]

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E_Temperament wrote:
- If it's running smooth without AGP, question is how
- smooth will it be when you enable AGP, my mouth is
- watering furiously? I'm just plain jealous Tsisqua.
- BTW I do hope that it is the AGP that is causing
- your troubles, because you solved it yourself, if it
- is.

Thank you for the post. I haven't been able to answer because the only way I could figure out to get everything enabled again was to reinstall windows as it was when the system arrived . . . you see, I figured out that I went wrong when I changed from the stock FAT 32 file system to NTFS. Somehow, it really messed up DirectX, Everything seems extremely stable now that I am back to FAT 32. I changed on the advice of Microsoft who recomends NTFS for partitions over 30 gigs. My primary partition is over 130 gigs (!), so I took their word at it, and BANG! I'll leave it at FAT 32 till I can figure out how to change it safely. It's really good to see Leningrad without the slideshow that I had become used to with my old system. I swear that I am not trying to brag . . . soon everyone will be where I am, only with more state of the art 64 bit processors, and by then I will be lagging behind . . . where I usually am [img]/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif[/img] . . . but for now I am indeed very happy exploring what is, for me, uncharted territory.


Tsisqua



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Try downloading and installing the latest Sun Java JRE from here:

http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/download.html

Microsoft also has a Java Virtual Machine of its own called MSJVM, since your PC came preloaded with WindowsXP I assume you already have this installed, else get it via WindowsUpdate, if it doesn`t appear listed there, you already have it.

Hope that helps.



P.S. Wonder why your PC wasn`t factory setup to run WinXP in an NTFS partition, maybe some incompatibility with the 64bit processor? ask them about it. NTFS really IS better than FAT32.



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Message Edited on 11/07/0301:41AM by NetDaemon

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NetDaemon wrote:
- Try downloading and installing the latest Sun Java
- JRE from here:
-
- <a
- href="http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/download.html"
- target=_blank>http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/downl
- oad.html</a>
-
-
- Microsoft also has a Java Virtual Machine of its own
- called MSJVM, since your PC came preloaded with
- WindowsXP I assume you already have this installed,
- else get it via WindowsUpdate, if it doesn`t appear
- listed there, you already have it.
-
- Hope that helps.
-
-
-
-
- P.S. Wonder why your PC wasn`t factory setup to run
- WinXP in an NTFS partition, maybe some
- incompatibility with the 64bit processor? ask them
- about it. NTFS really IS better than FAT32.
-
-
-
-
-


Thank you so much for the link. I will check this out. Also, I, like you, am wondering if there is an issue with NTFS and 64 bit computing. I suppose that this will probably be a moot point when Win64 comes out . . . I wonder if it will be using a new file system? I truly appreciate the help. [img]/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif[/img]



Tsisqua



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Some info about NTFS;



Fault tolerance
NTFS repairs hard disk errors automatically without displaying
an error message. When XP writes a file to an NTFS partition, it
keeps a copy of the file in memory. It then checks to make sure this
matches the copy stored. If the copies don't match, Windows
marks that section of the hard disk as bad and won't use it again.
This is known as Cluster Remapping.
Windows then uses the copy stored in memory to rewrite the file to an
alternate location on the hard disk. If the error occurred during a read, NTFS
returns a read error to the calling program, and the data is lost.

Reliability
NTFS is a 'journalling' file system. NTFS keeps a write-ahead
log file of all changes made to the hard disk. If something bad
happens to the system in the midst of a write to the disk
NTFS can resume the operation automatically as soon as the
operating system is running again.
Under the Fat file systems, this would result in file system or disk
corruption. When a CHKDSK is performed on Fat 32, the
consistency of pointers within the directory, allocation, and
file tables is checked. Under NTFS a log of transactions against
these components is maintained so CHKDSK need
only roll back transactions to the last commit point to recover
consistency within the file system, making NTFS more
reliable.

Security
NTFS is a highly secure file system- you can grant various
permissions to directories and Individual files. These permissions
protect filesand directories locally and remotely. Every file in NTFS has
an Access Control List (ACL). That means you can create
user-based security for every file on your computer. NTFS
also includes the Encrypting File System (EFS),
which uses public-key' security to encrypt files on an NTFS volume,
preventing unauthorised users from accessing those files. Encryption
is even preserved in backups - useful on notebooks and
shared machines.

Storage efficiency
NTFS is more efficient at storing files than fat 32-you'll use
less space on the disk storing 1,000 typical files under
NTFS - the larger your hard disk, the truer it is.
Drive performance
As drive sizes and the sheer number of files on a partition
increase, NTFS performance doesn't degrade.
There are also performance improvements on boot times.
But on very large disks, the small cluster size results in
millions of clusters, which means more time managing them.

File compression
Although Drivespace may be dead and buried, NTFS does offer
native support for file compression.
The NTFS compression offers you the chance to compress individual
files and folders.

Disk quotas Disk
quotas allow administrators to manage the amount
of disk space allotted to users, charging only for the files
they own. This is transparent the user simply sees the disk
space available to them.

Link tracking
With NTFS in XP a shortcut link will not be broken
if you move the target file, as it was in Windows 95,
Thanks to its Distributed Link Tracking Client. file shortcuts can
be updated by automatically searching for the new location
of the target file.

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Fat 32 or NTFS?

You must use Fat 16/32 filing system to:
Dual boot with an OS other than XP. 2000 or NT (NT can only read Fat 16 volumes)
. Access the volumes from a bootable floppy
(Third-party solutions are available)


On a recent visit to microsofts update site they have a new version of java for download - it might help?

I'll be following your progress with the 64bit chip there may be one with my name on it next year.

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Read a few reviews on Athlon64 and not seen any mention of NTFS issues.

To be frank I would be really surprised if there was an issue as this is touted as a server CPU (Opteron) and would run on an NTFS machine.

Some info on NTFS here:

http://is-it-true.org/nt/utips/utips44.shtml

and here:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/h..._and_FAT32.asp

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Fbuster wrote:
- Some info about NTFS;
-

Nice info, concise and to the point, hell, you even sounded like a Microsoft Representative [img]/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif[/img]

About a posible incompatibility between NTFS and the AMD64 chip, I'm not sure. NTFS is a 32bit File System and that AMD64 is supossed to be running in 32bit mode since it is being run by a 32bit operating system (XP), right? Unless the chip's 32bit compatibility mode is buggy, there's no reason it wouldn't work with NTFS.

I'd just like Tsisqua to ask his PC's manufacturer why they didn't setup XP in an NTFS partition from the beggining, that's really weird. I always use NTFS whenever I setup either Win2000 or XP, it's the default filesystem used.

Tsisqua: About JAVA, once you get the SUN JRE setup in your system, you'll be able to swicht from the Microsoft JVM to the SUN one, that way you can test which one works best (or not crashes FB). You can do the switching without the need to uninstall/reinstall any of the Java's VMs.

To do this, after having installed the Sun JRE and making sure the Microsoft JVM is installed as well, go to START MENU, there at the right you should find an icon for "Setup access and default programs" or something like that, sorry but my XP is in Spanish so the translation may not be exact.

Once the mentioned program starts, go to the bottom of the window, there should be a section called "Choose a default Java Virtual Machine" and checking the apropiate box will let got go back and forth between both JAVA sets.

Hope that helps.





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