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    XyZspineZyX
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    Here is a picture about how the simulation of Russian fighter should look like:

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    XyZspineZyX
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    Here is a picture about how the simulation of Russian fighter should look like:

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    XyZspineZyX
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    yes it would be great to have that effect in lo-mac.
    I think you could (just)take rocket smoke and taint it black, then programm it to be released from the engines.
    but it would probbably contain loads of work i dont know of.
    thats probbably why tey let it out in the first place.[img]/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif[/img]

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    Message Edited on 06/04/0308:58PM by q-melk2
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    and this usally happens for 1) bad maintenance...2) transitioning from military power to A/B or 3) flying in mil power.

    I'd like to see this modelled as well.

    -Spectre
    -Colorado
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    XyZspineZyX
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    looks like it needs an MOT
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    XyZspineZyX
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    ... do they smoke weed?
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    XyZspineZyX
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    They smoke high density fuel.

    It allows them to get more range out of the same amount of gas, but it makes more smoke. Probably not quite as dark as in that photo, but probably visible to the naked eye.



    Message Edited on 06/04/0308:30PM by StG77_Fennec
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    XyZspineZyX
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    Spektre wrote:
    - and this usally happens for 1) bad maintenance...2)
    - transitioning from military power to A/B or 3)
    - flying in mil power.
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    - I'd like to see this modelled as well.
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    --Spectre
    --Colorado
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    And only with heavy fraction T-1 fuel, especially when stored for years, as it happens very often.
    Doesn't happen (or it is almost unnoticeable) with light fraction TS fuel.
    Theya are similar to JP-4 and JP-5 fuels, but I don't remember now which one of them is the heavy one - does somebody know?
    So if the smoke is to be modelled to that extent, I want to have the choice of fuel - either 3400Kg of T-1 or 3150Kg of TS, for the same internal volume.
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    XyZspineZyX
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    jp4 is very similar to high octane gasoline used in automobiles. im not sure what jp5 is like but if the special fuel for the sr71 is any indication (jp7) i think it is heavier than jp4.

    i dont think it has anything to do with the fuel with regards to the russian fighters. they just didnt design their engines to be smoke free. american fighter planes have been smoke free since the f-4e phantom generation. earlier phantom engines generated a lot of smoke trails but were fixed with the modified j79 engines in later variants.

    "No one has ever collided with the sky."
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    zirik wrote:
    - jp4 is very similar to high octane gasoline used in
    - automobiles. im not sure what jp5 is like but if the
    - special fuel for the sr71 is any indication (jp7) i
    - think it is heavier than jp4.
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    - i dont think it has anything to do with the fuel
    - with regards to the russian fighters. they just
    - didnt design their engines to be smoke free.
    - american fighter planes have been smoke free since
    - the f-4e phantom generation. earlier phantom engines
    - generated a lot of smoke trails but were fixed with
    - the modified j79 engines in later variants.
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    - "No one has ever collided with the sky."

    Belive me, it is fuel-related. The same engine, fueled with the heavy-fraction fuel that had been stored for some time smoked like a locomotive, and when fueled with light fraction fuel didn't smoke at all, without any other modifications.
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